Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

[HybridHypothesis]

... Are you seriously quoting some random no name from substack, that also accuses the Wuhan lab for COVID?

Stick to the topic, buddy. The mass vaccination campaign has obviously failed to stop coronavirus transmission (it was never feasible outside of advanced countries anyway), so the virus will continue to circulate and evolve in the majority of the world. Even the Western media admits that their "high tech" Pfizer / MRNA jabs no longer prevent transmission 95% of the time.

There is no way of eradicating this coronavirus unless a new virus comes along to displace it from its niche. People will simply have to learn to live with an endemic respiratory disease again and stop destroying their economies over it.

Otherwise, an entire generation of children will grow up wearing masks all the time and will have internalized that being around people is dangerous. I cannot think of a more terrible outcome for Asia.

 

[KYli]

For now zero tolerance strategy is still preferred. It is irresponsible to reopen China to the rest of the world especially China has successfully contained the virus at the minimum cost. No one is saying China can close its door forever but China can afford to seal its border for another year without hurting its economy and standard of livings.

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[HybridHypothesis]

For now zero tolerance strategy is still preferred. It is irresponsible to reopen China to the rest of the world especially China has successfully contained the virus at the minimum cost. No one is saying China can close its door forever but China can afford to seal its border for another year without hurting its economy and standard of livings.

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A year at most until maybe 70% are vaccinated. No purpose in keeping things shut after that, despite what the lockdown and mask fetishists say.

 

[KYli]

A year at most until maybe 70% are vaccinated. No purpose in keeping things shut after that, despite what the lockdown and mask fetishists say.

China already vaccinated almost 60% of its population. The goal is to vaccinate at least 83% and more not just 70%. And no, it isn't all about vaccination rate. China isn't going to reopen unless it is certain the mutation and variants would not render existing vaccines useless.

The Chinese government isn't owned by the corporations and capitalists like the US. It has legitimate concern that any reopening could cause hundreds of thousands or even millions of deaths. This is not acceptable from the Chinese government's perspective.

 

[gadgetcool5]

US Intelligence Agencies Reportedly Hack Cloud Servers Containing Wuhan Lab Virus Samples

US spooks are said to have tapped into the Department of Energy’s National Labs and their supercomputers to help process the information in accordance with President Biden’s request in May that intelligence put a report on his desk about coronavirus’s possible origins by the end of August. Biden made the request after his administration walked back on its earlier assumptions that the virus appeared to be of natural origins (a position long-supported by China and the WHO).

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If there are 22,000 sequences that need a supercomputer to understand, I hope China understands their own data thoroughly as well.

I also hope the government realized long ago that anything stored on a networked server can be hacked by the US. Which cloud servers are these?

 

[SteelBird]

The mass vaccination campaign has succeeded in the UK. It doesn't matter how much the media scaremongers over case count or how much this forum enjoys sneering at le barbaric westerners, death rates have fallen off the cliff.

In the future, there will be no more need for economy destroying lockdowns or mask wearing.

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There is zero justification for forcing vaccination or mask mandates on children. The death rate for coronavirus in ppl younger than 17 is close to zero, and there is zero need to stop the spread in vaccinated countries. By contrast, the loss of the freedom to even decide what to wear on your face is a travesty and a blight on society.

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I have to disagree here. No mask, no vaccination for children because death rate near zero. Until one day found out Covid-19 also infects and kills children, until one day you found out relax on mask and other preventive measures after vaccination cause large amount of outbreak, that's already too late. I see some anti vaccination, anti mask people here. I can't agree with that!

 

[HybridHypothesis]

I have to disagree here. No mask, no vaccination for children because death rate near zero. Until one day found out Covid-19 also infects and kills children, until one day you found out relax on mask and other preventive measures after vaccination cause large amount of outbreak, that's already too late. I see some anti vaccination, anti mask people here. I can't agree with that!

Influenza was more deadly to children than corona. There was no need for mass masking and lockdowns for the flu, why should there be lockdowns now? Destroy the future of the majority of the children in order to save a handful? Society cannot function like that.

 

[HybridHypothesis]

China already vaccinated almost 60% of its population. The goal is to vaccinate at least 83% and more not just 70%. And no, it isn't all about vaccination rate. China isn't going to reopen unless it is certain the mutation and variants would not render existing vaccines useless.

The Chinese government isn't owned by the corporations and capitalists like the US. It has legitimate concern that any reopening could cause hundreds of thousands or even millions of deaths. This is not acceptable from the Chinese government's perspective.

The only reason the world gives a damn about China is because it made itself the center of the worlds manufacturing. Constant lockdowns in the face of a more contagious but less deadly variant will undo that position.

The vaccines have already been shown to work and given that China's vaccine is inactivated virus, it trains the body to fight the entire virus, making escape mutants less likely.

Ultimately, the risk reward is becoming less favorable to lockdowns. Its not completely there yet, but will be soon.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Stick to the topic, buddy. The mass vaccination campaign has obviously failed to stop coronavirus transmission (it was never feasible outside of advanced countries anyway), so the virus will continue to circulate and evolve in the majority of the world. Even the Western media admits that their "high tech" Pfizer / MRNA jabs no longer prevent transmission 95% of the time.

There is no way of eradicating this coronavirus unless a new virus comes along to displace it from its niche. People will simply have to learn to live with an endemic respiratory disease again and stop destroying their economies over it.

Otherwise, an entire generation of children will grow up wearing masks all the time and will have internalized that being around people is dangerous. I cannot think of a more terrible outcome for Asia.

I don't trust random people to understand epidemiology or immunology.

I double don't trust random people to make policy prescriptions over their backwards idea of what they think epidemiology or immunology is, and triple don't trust random people that call this or that 'dangerous'.

Only fascists or extremists regard non-political ideas as dangerous. Otherwise the ideas can stand or fall on their own merits.

 

[KYli]

The only reason the world gives a damn about China is because it made itself the center of the worlds manufacturing. Constant lockdowns in the face of a more contagious but less deadly variant will undo that position.

The vaccines have already been shown to work and given that China's vaccine is inactivated virus, it trains the body to fight the entire virus, making escape mutants less likely.

Ultimately, the risk reward is becoming less favorable to lockdowns. Its not completely there yet, but will be soon.

SEA manufacturers have been more disrupted by the Delta variant than China for months. Chinese exports have increased month after month because it is handling the covid-19 better than other nations. So your argument is false.

Vaccines effectiveness has been decreasing against variants and that's problematic. Maybe we would eventually need to learn to live with the virus. But it is too soon and too risky to do so now. In addition, Delta variant is affecting kids as more kids hospitalized. I just can't agree with the logic that we have to open and risk everything including children lives and health.

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