COMAC C919

sunnymaxi

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The real question at this point is not whether China can substitute with CJ-1000 but whether China can independently maintain the existing LEAP engines without foreign input. If not, then that should be given the priority.
LEAP engine is in contract with German company MTU Aero Engines for this task. they have the largest facility of maintenance, repair, and overhaul (MRO) in whole of Asia in Zhuhai, China..
 

GiantPanda

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Agree, but it will be an even more painful and time consuming journey for COMAC. Civil aviation is one of the pearl of every country industrial prowess and the height of their technological/technical/managerial capabilities etc. Why do you think there are only 2 main players(Beoing of the US AND AIRBUS FROM Europe led by France) in civil aerospace industry globally? If it was as easy as space industry or telecom/semi industry then you will several more players in this field. However, that's not the case of civil aviation industry.
I believe COMAC and mostly Chinese leader should have recognised this fact and since the trade and sanctions war started in 2017 by the US and orders should have been secretly given them to prioritise homegrown projects on a aar footing while still carrying on with cooperation with western suppliers. If that was done I believe after 8years today COMAC would have been in a much better shape and probably have more Chinese homegrown parts ready on this project. However it seems that was not the case and homegrown solutions were not as prioritised as much as they should have given the threat. Shows some sort of complacency by the leadership not just political but also industrial. Well, guess they would learn their lessons now, better late than never as they say lol
Make no mistake though it will take COMAC a very long time to be able to indegenised its airplanes. Civil aviation is not easy and is very safety critical apart from the technological /engineering and technical challenges. Just look at the fact that even with all the cooperation/TOT from Western companies for C919 COMAC has still been slow in producing C919 in enough numbers. I believe since the beginning of the year they have delivered barely 3 planes. Shows just how complex and difficult this field is. So you guys shouldn't underestimate the difficulties. It will China decades(if everything goes well for them) to really master this field and stand shoulder to shoulder with AIRBUS AND BEOING.

China is actually in a better place with aircraft than it was with semicon when that tech war began.

And we know how that is going.

In aircraft, China has experience in the C909 and C919. It has engine programs in place.

This is not including the decades of experience in military jets and military jet engines.

COMAC can and will deliver an indigenous C919 but unlike the semicon industry there is no question of Chinese aviation facing "annihilation" when cut off from foreign inputs.

China has the industrial base and the customer base to support a commercial aircraft industry whenever products are available.
 

tphuang

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LEAP engine is in contract with German company MTU Aero Engines for this task. they have the largest facility of maintenance, repair, and overhaul (MRO) in whole of Asia in Zhuhai, China..
right, MRO is not the issue here. It's the supply of new engines.

Based on what Shilao podcast said before, they almost always get their batch of deliveries for the full year pretty early on for Leap-1C, so I don't think deliveries this year is a problem. The question is next year. Let's see if they come to a deal soon, but if not, they will have a period of delays.
 

latenlazy

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Make no mistake though it will take COMAC a very long time to be able to indegenised its airplanes. Civil aviation is not easy and is very safety critical apart from the technological /engineering and technical challenges.
Nope. First off almost all the “foreign suppliers” are locally produced JVs. If the JVs are invalidated the ownership will simply be spun off while the production facilities continue operations.

Second, once the plane is certified parts from new suppliers only need to match the spec of the pre-certified parts to maintain certification. This is not nearly as time consuming as initial certification.

The “challenge” is not with safety engineering, but with certification.
 

gelgoog

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The real question at this point is not whether China can substitute with CJ-1000 but whether China can independently maintain the existing LEAP engines without foreign input. If not, then that should be given the priority.
Why bother? There are like 19 C919 with those engines.
COMAC must be really glad they dissed the WS-20 engine for this Western set of shiny glass beads.
 

Micron

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The US administration under Trump first threatened to cut off Leap-1C engine delivery to COMAC back in 2020.
Do you think US will allow CFM to deliver or assemble enough engines for COMAC to maintain a stockpile that can last a year? I doubt so.
IMO the reason why Trump did not impose his restriction then is like what is happening today, US has absolute control.
So I won't be surprised if COMAC suddenly released it's CJ1000 powered C919 this year. The certification and testing may have already been done in secrecy.
 

Franklin

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i didn't expect this. but looks like USA plugged the switch. they Paused the Engine sales to China. The move is a response to China’s recent restrictions on exports of critical minerals"


looks like trump wants a deal for RE minerals. this is why he stopped engine sales. but nevertheless CJ-1000A coming guys. USA forced China to switch on domestic engine. this could threatened entire C919 fleet. COMAC might replace all imported engines. let see
We have been speculating for sometime that the Americans might cut off the engine supply for the C-919 and now it has happened. How many of those engines does COMAC have stockpiled and what about other components on the plane that comes from America.
 

sunnymaxi

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We have been speculating for sometime that the Americans might cut off the engine supply for the C-919 and now it has happened. How many of those engines does COMAC have stockpiled and what about other components on the plane that comes from America.
as of now, apart from Engines there is no issue with any component of C919.. and as per the source COMAC stockpiled enough LEAP engines for at least one more year.
 
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