COMAC C919

mossen

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B777LR said:
Now there’s actual talk in mainstream media about a Boeing bankruptcy
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It is unlikely to happen.

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Granted, Boeing is not doing great but they are about to recover from their pandemic-induced slump. I doubt they can catch Airbus but their viability as a company is not (yet) in question. That's why COMAC's progress is so interesting because if they play their cards right, they might replace Boeing as an option to Airbus. But that would still be many years away.
 
sunnymaxi

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mossen said:
It is unlikely to happen.

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Granted, Boeing is not doing great but they are about to recover from their pandemic-induced slump. I doubt they can catch Airbus but their viability as a company is not (yet) in question. That's why COMAC's progress is so interesting because if they play their cards right, they might replace Boeing as an option to Airbus. But that would still be many years away.
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we are talking about Civilian aircraft business of Boeing .. which is about 35+ percent of total Boeing's yearly revenue if i m correct. in Narrow body aircraft, Airbus literally killing Boeing.. and we all agreed on this, no way US government will let Boeing to fail or bankrupt but if current situation goes for a long time. we might see spin off or Civilian aircraft business sale.. let see
 
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A few things. A220 program is expected to loose money this year again. Breakeven is only anticipated in 2025. That’s when a220 is up to 14 per month iirc. So for how airbus does its investment, significant capex and mounting losses happen until things turn around.

B787 was losing money for many years until it turned things around.

so c919 losing money for a few years is expected. Each new factory will require significant capex that take several years to depreciate. That is fine.

it would be very hard for me to believe that they cannot be profitable once production goes up to like 10 per month. Aerospace company make a lot of money on not necessarily the sale itself but the post sales servicing. So the key to profitability is just selling enough of them.

if we go back to sales prospects, China market alone (assuming comac gets 50% market share) can probably support c919 program but they will clearly sell beyond that. ASEAN is an obvious market. They can trade orders for precious landing slots and/or additional operating frequencies at key airport (idk open sky status between China and its neighbors). ASEAN is a huge and growing market. So is Middle East. They can seek to Russia, west Asia, Central Asia. Frankly, Europe is not the largest aerospace market going forward and we shouldn’t treat them as such.
 
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"Also keep in mind that the CAAC certification standard is essentially a translation of carbon copy from FAA. Saying C919 is not developped with EASA certification in mind is like saying Boeing aircraft were not developped with EASA certification in mind. It is hard to believe."

The recognition of a foreign type certificate is not based on the similarity of the process, the question is if and how the process was actually followed.
 
by78

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A tiny nugget about C919's test flight program. Mr. Zhang Xiaoguang, marketing director of COMAC,
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that C919's test flight program accumulated more than 240,000 km. The delivered aircraft have achieved stable operation.

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