COMAC C919 - China's first modern airliner

SamuraiBlue

SamuraiBlue

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I wonder said:
Remember that China already has experience selling and servicing over 80 MA60s that have been sold around the world.

When Tonga got its MA60 pilots and Air hostesses had to go to China beforehand to do their training. The pilot training was quite strict and difficult. Pilots had to be able to take off with one engine out.

There was also training given in Tonga by Chinese pilots in command.

Mechanics from China came to Tonga to train the Airlines mechanics.

There were also many container loads of spare parts(Around 8 containers?) sent to service the plane.

It all worked quite well and there didn't seem to be down time that I noticed.

So China has done this before, they have a pattern that works and this experience will help them greatly.
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Do you honestly believe that kind of method can be done through out the world and still make a profit in sales?
 
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Do you honestly believe that kind of method can be done through out the world and still make a profit in sales?
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With an Airline in a developed country it will be much easier as pilots will just transfer their experience from say an a320.
Also the logistics will be much better in a developed country and so it will be much easier to obtain spare parts from a regional warehouse.
 
lcloo

lcloo

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SamuraiBlue said:
At the end the components is required to be shipped from COMAC not the suppliers since it requires authentication of quality inspection by the manufacturer. In doing so COMAC requires to develop a component warehouse and hubs to develop a supply chain network to ensure on time delivery. It like buying a Toyota compared to buying a Lamborgini, Toyota they have component distribution hubs all over the world so you know that the car will be fixed within the week, with Lamborgini with all it's glory when it breaks down you may have to wait to the end of the month (or longer) to get it back on the road.

As for flying yes a pilot would probably be able to fly a plane since basically the same science applies BUT the pilot is not certified to fly with passengers aboard without a license and the only way you get one is to train XX hours on a simulator and a instructor giving a stamp once he had finished the hours to authorize that the person had past the test. You can't rubber stamp these test either.
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First, there should be no problem on parts in stock, this is a long term investment, there should always be replacement part ready to be sent. I thought this is a common sense in business. It is naïve to think that COMAC is not able to keep stock at strategic locations around the world. Also, have you ever used DHL before?

Simulation training? This problem has already been taken care of. Rockwell Collins will supply the simulators for C919. How did "rubber Stamp" come into your mind?
 
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I wonder said:
I actually think that the C919 will perform better than the a320 neo or the 737max because it uses a better Aluminium alloy. Its caled Al-Li and it very lightweight and has been used in rockets. I think the Space Shuttle expendable tank used it and it might be used in the upper stage of various rockets.
It was going to be used in the new Boeing 777 they are designing but they decided against it for some reason.
I have written about it before in this thread in relation to the C919.
I was listening to the live CCTV stream today and they mentioned that 60% of the C919 is Al-Li.
However we don't get told this from Western sources. We usually get told that it will underperform and they will have to lower the price to sell it.
I only picked it up because I was browsing the comac website and spotted the Al Li reference some months ago.
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Western discussions about C919 are typically limited to 'hey it looks like A320. No A350 ..... nope, more like B787.' I doubt many will notice or understand if western sources talk about Al Li. :)
 
SamuraiBlue

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Concerning Al-Li from the horse's mouth.

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They state;
Direct comparison of material properties between aluminum alloys and composites is not possible. The design drivers for the materials are significantly different, and therefore a comparison can only be made on a case-by-case basis.
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Alcoa also state it has been in use for the last decade with Bombardier testing the material for their C-series from 2005. The document also states that the material is utilized on AB A380, A350XWB and, Boeing 787 .
 
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Franklin

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China's C-919 and the sources for its components. How are the landing gears American weren't they suppose to be German ?

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kwaigonegin

kwaigonegin

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SamuraiBlue said:
Do you honestly believe that kind of method can be done through out the world and still make a profit in sales?
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No, but large ticket items like these don't make profits until much much later. Even a company like Boeing do not make profits until many hundreds of airframes have been sold on certain models... And this is a company that is 100 yrs old that has sold tens of thousands or airliners with infrastructure and experience spanning the entire globe.
This is the first big major commercial aircraft for comac and in many ways china itself. It will be many many years before they will make a profit if at all. Some planes never do. I know this for a fact but that doesn't and shouldn't keep a company for innovating and finding new ways to get into the market.
If comac does well in the domestic market it will hurt Boeing sales. China will be one of the largest market for commercial airliners in the coming decades. That is also a fact.
 
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Alcoa also state it has been in use for the last decade with Bombardier testing the material for their C-series from 2005. The document also states that the material is utilized on AB A380, A350XWB and, Boeing 787 .
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I did a quick search on Al-Li and A380. Alco, the same horse, says that it used 2nd generation Al-Li for main beams in the A380. The C919, like the C series uses 3rd generation Al-Li extensively for its skin covering, showing how good 3rd gen Al-Li actually is.
The point about Al-Li is not that China has this tech and other countries do not. The point is that the A320'and 737 do not extensively use composites or Al-Li and so the C919 weighs less, other things being equal, than its main competitors.
 
GreenestGDP

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Franklin said:
China's C-919 and the sources for its components. How are the landing gears American weren't they suppose to be German ?

china-c919-large.jpg
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With all due respect ... ... my 2 cents observation ... ...
IMHO, ... ... this is frankly quite disturbing and embarrassing.

I originally thought that at a minimum, 80% of the components are made in PRC.

If the above Suppliers Ratio breakdown is correct, then ... ...
The Supplier Ratio = American : European : PRC = 11 : 3 : 4
Very imbalance -- and shameful ratio

It will be acceptable ... ...
if the Suppliers Ratio = American : European : PRC = 2 : 6 : 10


I will immediately adjust my own Proud--Meter downward way back to zero.


After taking this long to produce C919, .... ...
So COMAC is basically just a lowly run of the mill system integrator.

Judging by the attendance on the product launching show,
this is way too much hype from COMAC and its supporters.


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Is COMAC run by Hanjian ?
Let's check ... ...
how many management team have financial assets hidden and stashed in the Opfor land ?


COMAC is trying to clone and become the Indian DRDO.
Shame, shame, shame ... ...

Please take no offense ... ... only my 2 cents observation.
 
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