Chinese UCAV/CCA/flying wing drones (ISR, A2A, A2G)

Tomboy

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Interestingly, this base is not operated by the PLA and is in fact owned and operated by an civilian SOE called Xi'an Aisheng UAV technology.

This could imply that the PLAAF is diversifing their CCA/UAV procurement strategy to include smaller firms instead of relying soley on various AVIC subsidiaries as was done traditionally.
 

bsdnf

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Interestingly, this base is not operated by the PLA and is in fact owned and operated by an civilian SOE called Xi'an Aisheng UAV technology.

This could imply that the PLAAF is diversifing their CCA/UAV procurement strategy to include smaller firms instead of relying soley on various AVIC subsidiaries as was done traditionally.
Nah, in the field of short-to-medium range UAVs, ASN is the veteran, only gradually being overlooked due to intense competition in recent years.

PLA purchased ASN's T-6 UAVs to guide artillery and missile as early as the early 1990s, and ASN's T-18 and T-20 UAVs were also widely deployed in the 2010s and 2020s.
 

Confusionism

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Interestingly, this base is not operated by the PLA and is in fact owned and operated by an civilian SOE called Xi'an Aisheng UAV technology.

This could imply that the PLAAF is diversifing their CCA/UAV procurement strategy to include smaller firms instead of relying soley on various AVIC subsidiaries as was done traditionally.
Historical GE photos show that many UAVs not owned by ASN have been spotted at this site. I believe this site is not exclusively used by ASN.

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bsdnf

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Historical GE photos show that many UAVs not owned by ASN have been spotted at this site. I believe this site is not exclusively used by ASN.

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“On September 8, 2021, Jingbian General Aviation Airport (UAV Testing Center)—China’s first public service platform for professional UAV system testing and evaluation open to all industries—was granted an airport operating license and officially commenced operations.

Constructed and operated by the Unmanned Aerial Vehicle Research Institute of Northwestern Polytechnical University (Xi’an Aisheng Technology Group Co., Ltd.), the center serves as China’s first specialized UAV testing and evaluation base. It effectively fills a gap in the testing and evaluation segment of China’s UAV industry chain, establishing itself as a national-level comprehensive demonstration zone and public service platform for the UAV industry that serves the entire country and all sectors.”
 

Confusionism

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“On September 8, 2021, Jingbian General Aviation Airport (UAV Testing Center)—China’s first public service platform for professional UAV system testing and evaluation open to all industries—was granted an airport operating license and officially commenced operations.

Constructed and operated by the Unmanned Aerial Vehicle Research Institute of Northwestern Polytechnical University (Xi’an Aisheng Technology Group Co., Ltd.), the center serves as China’s first specialized UAV testing and evaluation base. It effectively fills a gap in the testing and evaluation segment of China’s UAV industry chain, establishing itself as a national-level comprehensive demonstration zone and public service platform for the UAV industry that serves the entire country and all sectors.”
I’ve seen that report, but it was published five years ago. Judging by the activity at the base, a large number of UAVs from other manufacturers have been tested there in recent years. I suspect the nature of the facility may have changed considerably.
 

Deino

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I’ve seen that report, but it was published five years ago. Judging by the activity at the base, a large number of UAVs from other manufacturers have been tested there in recent years. I suspect the nature of the facility may have changed considerably.


Pardon, which report?
 

Temstar

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On Thursday's paid stream, Ayi, Shilao and Yankee were using the context of Iran successfully hitting a F-35 to do a broader discussion on air defence against 5th generation fighter. Towards the end of the stream the conversation drifted towards 5th gen on 5th gen combat. Here Yankee revealed something new about the CCAs:

Although the engineers and researchers involved still think the CCAs are not yet mature, multiple Golden Helmet pilots have already been taken out by them in mock combat.

Immediately before Yankee dropped that bit of knowledge about CCAs getting golden helmet kills, they mentioned that with the rest of of a 5th gen fighter receiving the stealth treatment, cockpit is now a major source of residual RCS that you can only do so much about. Then immediately after Yankee's statement about CCAs they talked about how the CCAs , thanks to their small size, their lack of cockpit and their VLO treatment has a uncanny ability to sneak up to you into WVR for a dogfight. Ayi describes it as like going up against a surface-to-air missile in terms of RCS and this missile doesn't run out of thrust and has dogfighting mastery.

Because of this capability they list weapon bay as critically important for a successful CCA and derided Anduril YFQ-44 Fury for not having one.
 

Nullify

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On Thursday's paid stream, Ayi, Shilao and Yankee were using the context of Iran successfully hitting a F-35 to do a broader discussion on air defence against 5th generation fighter. Towards the end of the stream the conversation drifted towards 5th gen on 5th gen combat. Here Yankee revealed something new about the CCAs:

Although the engineers and researchers involved still think the CCAs are not yet mature, multiple Golden Helmet pilots have already been taken out by them in mock combat.

Immediately before Yankee dropped that bit of knowledge about CCAs getting golden helmet kills, they mentioned that with the rest of of a 5th gen fighter receiving the stealth treatment, cockpit is now a major source of residual RCS that you can only do so much about. Then immediately after Yankee's statement about CCAs they talked about how the CCAs , thanks to their small size, their lack of cockpit and their VLO treatment has a uncanny ability to sneak up to you into WVR for a dogfight. Ayi describes it as like going up against a surface-to-air missile in terms of RCS and this missile doesn't run out of thrust and has dogfighting mastery.

Because of this capability they list weapon bay as critically important for a successful CCA and derided Anduril YFQ-44 Fury for not having one.
Is this referring to the UADFs or even just the Type C-E? The "small size" would suggest C-E to me, but I'm not sure. And correct me if I'm wrong, C-E don't have IWBs right? The talk a while ago regarding CCAs stealing kills from pilots were referring to Type A and B, if my understanding is correct.
 
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