Chinese UAV/UCAV development

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plawolf

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That picture is too badly exposed for us to make out much detail with any confidence.

But a high mounted wing would seem something of an unconventional choice.

High mounted swept back wings was something you would typically find on ground attack jets, typically those who rely on low level high speed dashing for penetrating enemy air defences. So, the likes of the Jaguar, Tornado, JH7A, Mig23/27 would be some classic examples. IIRC, the high mounted wing would help to minimise (delay as well maybe?) buffeting during high subsonic low level flight. The tails are certainly very highly swept back, and although it's hard to tell, the main wings looks that way as well. Although we really need a decent quality picture to tell for sure.

I can see this being an interesting low cost alternative to your high-end, internal weapons bay equipped mini-B2 designs that the US and western countries are developing for high value deep penetration strike/AShW missions.

If they designed this bird with such a mission in mind from the offset, I can see it maybe being able to carry a pair of C802s or equivalent heavy weight weapons, by them heavy bombs or runway killing cluster munitions and manage a fairly respectable strike range at high subsonic speeds.

It would be just the kind of thing you would want to send in as the spear tip of a co-ordinated strike package against a hostile carrier battle group or heavily defended air fields/ports/SAM or radar sites etc where you would expect a high attrition rate. Especially if the mission was time sensitive and you simply did not have the opportunity to take your time methodically pealing back the layers of defences with minimal risk to aircraft and crews.

So, sending in such UCAVs would make a lot of sense as the defenders are forced to expend munitions and precious time trying to bring down drones, thus giving your manned assets an easier time and greater chances of success and survival.

If I was designing this thing, I would have put in place modular sensor packages. Thus a strike wing sent for ground attack missions could have terrain following radar module installed in the nose to aid low level nap-of-the-earth flying, while AShW strike packages could be loaded with longer range radars (or even just left without sensors to save on costs as you would expect the attrition rates to be much higher) etc.

But, I am getting a little ahead of myself here, maybe we should wait for a clearer picture to get a definitive look at this bird's design and layout before speculating too much about it's intended mission. ;)
 

paintgun

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wing position that aft will be too far from the centre of gravity, and structurally makes no sense

i wonder when will flightglobal/DEW/Ares break the news, probably never without clearer picture :(
if it's a sino-Predator C, it's a significant development

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no_name

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This thing has a pot belly :p.
 

plawolf

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That is indeed an odd bird. The 'pot belly' reminds of marine search radars as seen on the likes of the USN's MQ4C Tritons or Saab 340 MSA.

However, that UCAV is surely too small to make such a radar worth while or even useful as I doubt that radar is big enough to have decent range or the UCAV to have enough range to cover much ocean. The HJ10 missiles are also wholly unsuitable for anything other than maybe small speedboats.

However, assuming everything aren't just dummies for show, what isn't there on the UCAV Could be as telling as what is seen on it. The obvious omission would be an optical sensor turret.

Without that, there would be no way for the UCAV to use it's HJ10s. Unless these are not the laser guided HJ10s we have seen so far. There have always been rumours of a mmw radar guides version of the HJ10. If that is true and these are indeed what the UCAV is carrying, my initial reaction that the 'pot belly' is a radar fairing would be correct. Only instead of being a marine search radar, it could be a MMW targeting radar instead.
 

delft

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Here's a hydrogen fuel cell UAV being tested.

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I suppose the hydrogen is carried as a compressed gas in a pretty heavy tank made of fiber reinforced plastic. That tank will then be part of the fuselage. I doubt that will mean an immediate advance on traditionally powered UAV's, but it might lead to advantage in the long run.
 

i.e.

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I suppose the hydrogen is carried as a compressed gas in a pretty heavy tank made of fiber reinforced plastic. That tank will then be part of the fuselage. I doubt that will mean an immediate advance on traditionally powered UAV's, but it might lead to advantage in the long run.

Like a Much smaller version of Boeing's Phantom Eye Hyrdogren Powered Hybrid UAV and AeroVironment Global Observer...

this may only be used to prove propulsion.
 
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