Chinese UAV/UCAV development

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texx1

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I know your good behavior but for sensitive members ... we joke regurlalry on LCS topic ( the boat is not fortress ... ) proof i don't critic only Chinese weapons ... and they get wrong it is obvious and US members which prefer USA ( i precise important ) never cause a problem they undestand in fact are able to understand all the difference with others so it is possible joke fortunately !
i have severals links eventualy.

That's your problem right there. Jokes have to be understood and appreciated with the proper context and backgrounds. People with different backgrounds take jokes differently. A joke can be amusing to Americans, but offensive to Chinese. Just like your friend airforce brat likes to joke president Xi is an emperor, you might appreciated it as a joke, some Chinese SDF members can very well consider that to an offensive insult. See the difference.

One has to be careful with jokes especially in a public settings like SDF. Despite being an American forum,. there is large numbers of Chinese members and members don't subscribe to American centric views. If your jokes cause misunderstandings and pushbacks, you should apologize and explain it to others that it was a joke instead of telling others to be less sensitive. And don't make similar jokes in settings that you could be misunderstood again.
 

vesicles

Colonel
I know your good behavior but for sensitive members ... we joke regurlalry on LCS topic ( the boat is not fortress ... ) proof i don't critic only Chinese weapons ... and they get wrong it is obvious and US members which prefer USA ( i precise important ) never cause a problem they undestand in fact are able to understand all the difference with others so it is possible joke fortunately !
i have severals links eventualy.

Jokes are usually quite dangerous unless you know who you are joking with well. Joking is a very subjective thing. While you may think it's a non-issue, others might think it's a gross insult. It depends a lot on the culture and background.

Everyone has their sensitive side, which they don't want to touch. Your sensitive side may be very different from others'. If your joke happens to touch others' sensitive side, they will not like it. Conversely, you won't like it if someone touches on your sensitive issues.

It seems to be a common theme, where you keep insisting that your jokes are ok with you or certain groups of members like the Americans. When it is OK with you and some others, it must be appropriate with all others as well. I hope you appreciate that the Chinese and the Americans have very different culture and very different background. Don't compare the two as the same.

Everyone has different background and sees things differently because of their different experiences. For example, bar jokes have been very common here in the US. However, if you joke about drinking to a person who has had a family member killed by a drunk driver, he will not respond kindly. And you cannot blame him. And there is no way you can convince him to think drinking is funny. Neither should you. However, there is one thing that you can do: do not joke about drinking when he is in the room. It is inconvenient to you, but it is also a respectable thing to do.

Another example, which happened on this very forum. Years ago, some members made some inappropriate comments about some photos of female soldiers posted by Popeye. Popeye did not like it and thought it was insensitive and immediately told them to stop making insensitive comments. People made such comments obviously because they thought it was ok. Yet, other members did not like it. None of them complained and demanded Popeye to change his view so that he feels OK to make inappropriate comments about female soldiers. They all simply complied and stopped making comments. Mutual respect.

Whether or not a joke is funny is solely solely solely determined by the audience, NOT the person who tells the joke. If your audience does not like the joke, it is not funny.
 

FORBIN

Lieutenant General
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And none of the last two pages are UAV related....
LOL yes Buddy but it is a fair conversation with Gentlemans different

If you want for UAV the CH-4B used by Iraqi Army fortunately soon finished ! vs ISIS similar to a MQ-1B or 9 ( less big and armed than this one ) good but with total air superiotity vs a country which have some AA defneses and fighters want nothing can eventualy to serve as a decoy for true war only stealth drones can be efficient but unable vs fighters don't have AAMs.

Et amitiés au Canada :)
 

PiSigma

"the engineer"
LOL yes Buddy but it is a fair conversation with Gentlemans different

If you want for UAV the CH-004 used by Iraqi Army fortunately soon finished ! vs ISIS similar to a MQ-1B or 9 ( less big and armed as this one ) good but with total air superiotity vs a country which have some AA defneses and fighters want nothing can eventualy to serve as a decoy for true war only stealth drones can be efficient but unable vs fighters don't have AAMs.
I agree. The UAVs these days are basically only good for recon, communication or bombing people without AA. Even a third rate air force like north korea can do whatever they want with drones if they detect it.

I understand there is a big market for them due to the mess in the middle east right now. But I don't think at the moment they are too useful in peer competition. So for any major countries, the continuous development of drones is important to reach singularity, but mean while, I don't see the point of buying thousands of reapers to bomb guys with aks.

What China is doing with gradual improvement is good, no need to start mass manufacturing.
 

vesicles

Colonel
vesicles i have posted/jocking completely franckly and ofc not against China in more i can't know all peoples reactions it's obvious !
and never i have problems with others Americans or Arabs or Russians etc...

In this case here it is vs China say me please
https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/shenyang-fc-31-j-31-fighter-demonstrator.t5693/page-509#post-484069

I guess the Chinese are weird and lack sense of humor... Whatever it is, if you think the Chinese can't take your jokes, it is better not telling any. You are not a comedian and don't depend on your jokes for anything. Just let it go. Focus on what you love, which is Chinese military stuff.

My mom doesn't like jokes and takes jokes as rudeness. She thinks people who make jokes are all insensitive and rude. Being a jokester myself, I never kid around or say things sarcastically when my mom is in the room.
 

b787

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I think y'all are referring to my comment. Why? Conversation went like this:

B787: Surface A is larger than Surface B (even though they are different shapes and similar dimensions).
Vesicles: Not to me. Could you show your numbers for surface area? I need some calculations.
B787: It just is, by eyeballing.
Vesicles: That's meaningless; need numbers.
Went on for X rounds until:
B787: Ah, you need numbers? But it is easier to get numbers of women, no? Did you get numbers? haha I have got many. I had 5 marriages and 16 children, so you know I can get numbers ;)
Me: Are you out of your f-ing mind?

When he stops using his family to derail arguments that he's lost, we can all stop mentioning them.
chill out,i never will change when my children say to me dad, for your foolish comments, do you think i care about your childish jokes? when my children and wife love me? come on grow up, i will never change the love of my children, for one of your jokes, in fact they love me and that is all that matters.

If i did mention them is because they are an important part of my life, more real than people arguing about weapons, trying to impress others like you do here.
Be polite, having children is a blessing, when they love you back well is a reason to be proud and share, and they love me.
I hope some day to see UAV like this
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b787

Captain
Look military forums are filled with strong headed people and disagreements often get out of hand. This is one example. I'm sorry for the drama it's brought and admittedly I'm very hot headed and extremely impatient. But you must be able to still see the ridiculousness of Forbin. Even if you can understand him, close to everyone here cannot. He does make pointless posts like the one that started this misunderstanding. These are FACTS. Prove them otherwise. No one insulted b787's wive/s children etc. One member has mentioned it a few times as more of an attack on b787 and not his family. So it's important to get these things right. b787, Forbin are often the instigators of flame wars not others since they are the common factor and they often talk nonsense. You are very polite and I'm glad you're trying to calm things down but the effort does seem to have a bias for Forbin.

Let's leave this crap behind us. But all who have read the stuff can see and judge for themselves and maybe remember for future reference.
Stop blaming others for things you do.
Obviously I am not Chinese, so i have not that fanatical view that China is the best in technology, nor i am Jim Morrison to say the west is the best, technology is just that, each technical advancement can always being improved thus it has drawbacks.
 

manqiangrexue

Brigadier
chill out,i never will change when my children say to me dad, for your foolish comments, do you think i care about your childish jokes? when my children and wife love me? come on grow up, i will never change the love of my children, for one of your jokes, in fact they love me and that is all that matters.

If i did mention them is because they are an important part of my life, more real than people arguing about weapons, trying to impress others like you do here.
Be polite, having children is a blessing, when they love you back well is a reason to be proud and share, and they love me.
I hope some day to see UAV like this
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I don't care how many relationships you have, how many children you have, whether or not you like them, or whether or not they like you; nobody on this military forum does. I don't even care what you're trying to over-compensate for by talking about your experience with women here. There are plenty of things and many people whom I love that I will never mention here, because it is not the right place.

So everyone is simply asking you to refrain from mentioning your (ex)wives or children or whatever on a forum about the military, especially not for the reason of purposefully derailing an argument that you can't win. That's not exactly the gold standard for upstanding behavior but from you, we'll take it with applause.
 
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