Chinese Trainer Aircraft (JL-8, JL-9, JL-10 (L-15), etc.)

lcloo · May 13, 2020

SteelBird said:
Personally, I don't like this aircraft and I have repeated this quite a few times. With or without DSI, it's still a J-7/MiG-21 derivative. If I'm not mistaken, it still use turbojet engine. Yes, one may claims that it's very cheap and 100% made in China but now it's not time for a cheap aircraft. I hope they simply dump the project. Having L-15 is enough.

Hey, I'm from Cambodia and I haven't heard anything about this at all. Why does Cambodia want to buy this aircraft? If I'm not mistaken, Cambodia doesn't have any airworthy fighter aircraft at the moment, why bother buying a trainer?

FTC-2000G is an improved multi-roles light attack fighter version of the base-line trainer FTC-2000/JL-9. It is similar to FA-50PH light fighter bought by Philippines. FA-50PH is a derivative of base-line T-50 trainer jet built in South Korea,

Poor countries like Cambodia and Philippines have limited budget for dedicated fighter jets, thus a multi-roles light weight jet (trainer/ strike/ light fighter jet) is the best option for them. Moreover, Cambodia has no fixed wing combat aircraft at present, FTC-2000G will be a step forward.

FTC-2000G is slightly larger than JL9.

Deino · May 13, 2020

lcloo said:
FTC-2000G is an improved multi-roles light attack fighter version of the base-line trainer FTC-2000/JL-9. It is similar to FA-50PH light fighter bought by Philippines. FA-50PH is a derivative of base-line T-50 trainer jet built in South Korea,

Poor countries like Cambodia and Philippines have limited budget for dedicated fighter jets, thus a multi-roles light weight jet (trainer/ strike/ light fighter jet) is the best option for them. Moreover, Cambodia has no fixed wing combat aircraft at present, FTC-2000G will be a step forward.

FTC-2000G is slightly larger than JL9.
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I must admit even if all changes are well known, in summary I wasn't aware how much they differ.

xyqq · May 13, 2020

lcloo said:
FTC-2000G is an improved multi-roles light attack fighter version of the base-line trainer FTC-2000/JL-9. It is similar to FA-50PH light fighter bought by Philippines. FA-50PH is a derivative of base-line T-50 trainer jet built in South Korea,

Poor countries like Cambodia and Philippines have limited budget for dedicated fighter jets, thus a multi-roles light weight jet (trainer/ strike/ light fighter jet) is the best option for them. Moreover, Cambodia has no fixed wing combat aircraft at present, FTC-2000G will be a step forward.

FTC-2000G is slightly larger than JL9.
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They probably inserted this section behind the cockpit to accommodate longer wing strakes (of course, bigger space for fuel and electronics).

Hendrik_2000 · May 13, 2020

Deino said:
I must admit even if all changes are well known, in summary I wasn't aware how much they differ.

According to Henri the recent refit is to improve handling of low speed landing and I guess when they strengthen the rear fuselage eventually they will fit in the hook
A new version of JL-9G made its 1st flight today. The modifications relate to the wing, the vertical tail and the rear fuselage to improve its behavior in low speed flight. This aircraft is used by the Navy to train its on-board pilots.

Deino · May 13, 2020

Hendrik_2000 said:
According to Henri the recent refit is to improve handling of low speed landing and I guess when they strengthen the rear fuselage eventually they will fit in the hook
A new version of JL-9G made its 1st flight today. The modifications relate to the wing, the vertical tail and the rear fuselage to improve its behavior in low speed flight. This aircraft is used by the Navy to train its on-board pilots.

Wasn't that maiden flight yesterday? ... and I'm not entirely sure if there are indeed changes to "the vertical tail and the rear fuselage".
They look the same to me... all I see are changes to the wing-tips and the missing para-brakingchute.

xyqq · Jun 2, 2020

Deino said:
Wasn't that maiden flight yesterday? ... and I'm not entirely sure if there are indeed changes to "the vertical tail and the rear fuselage".
They look the same to me... all I see are changes to the wing-tips and the missing para-brakingchute.

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There have been 3 variants in terms of deceleration mechanisms:
1. With both drag chute and ventral air brake (JL-9G)

However, the ventral airbrake cannot deploy with the presence of a central drop tank

2. With ventral airbrake but no drag chute (FTC-2000G)

3) Wingtip and rear airbrakes in place of ventral airbrake and drag chute (JL-9GI)

Details of the wingtip deceleron:

To be continued in the next post (due to the limit on the number of images)...

xyqq · Jun 2, 2020

xyqq said:
There have been 3 variants in terms of deceleration mechanisms:
1. With both drag chute and ventral air brake (JL-9G)
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However, the ventral airbrake cannot deploy with the presence of a central drop tank
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2. With ventral airbrake but no drag chute (FTC-2000G)
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3) Wingtip and rear airbrakes in place of ventral airbrake and drag chute (JL-9GI)
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Details of the wingtip deceleron:
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To be continued in the next post (due to the limit on the number of images)...

The rear deceleron at the base of the vertical stabilizer is not as recognized as the wingtip ones, but the two-piece configuration reveals its purpose (in contrast to FTC-2000G's solid base)

A close-up look from another angle

Compared with the original ventral airbrake, new wingtip and tail decelerons allow JL-9G naval trainer jet to better simulate the landing approach of the J-15 fighter, which has a large dorsal airbrake. In addition, the trainer jet can now brake in the air when it carries a central drop tank.

BaiyueRaeuz · Jun 2, 2020

lcloo said:
FTC-2000G is an improved multi-roles light attack fighter version of the base-line trainer FTC-2000/JL-9. It is similar to FA-50PH light fighter bought by Philippines. FA-50PH is a derivative of base-line T-50 trainer jet built in South Korea,

Poor countries like Cambodia and Philippines have limited budget for dedicated fighter jets, thus a multi-roles light weight jet (trainer/ strike/ light fighter jet) is the best option for them. Moreover, Cambodia has no fixed wing combat aircraft at present, FTC-2000G will be a step forward.

FTC-2000G is slightly larger than JL9.
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Yep, it could definitely be used as a multi-role plane (trainer/striker/light fighter) by a country like Cambodia (or maybe even Bangladesh), it suits their need perfectly.

siegecrossbow · Jun 14, 2020

L-15 from Shijazhuang flight school straffing ground targets.

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Deino · Jun 15, 2020

Just a question ... Huitong updated his site with a JL-9 numbered "78542", but this would correspond to the 173rd Air Brigade (a unit I don't know) :what:

So is it not more likely 3542 esp since that image is a bit cropped which would then IMO much better fit to the Xi'an Flying Academy and the 4th Training Brigade at Wuwei which might have received JL-9 in addition or replacing the JL-8??

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Chinese Trainer Aircraft (JL-8, JL-9, JL-10 (L-15), etc.)

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