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Chish

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Bltizo said:
My understanding is that the domestic 28nm capable DUV machines have already been delivered to initial customers, beginning in the second half of this year.

Achieving mass production of them of course isn't going to happen immediately, and I think it is a bit of a stretch for you to argue that we should be expecting it immediately -- especially if there's a recognition that there may be delays (as with many advanced companies in general).




Wouldn't you agree that given the recency of US sanctions and the recency of Chinese efforts to produce a domestic semiconductor industry in response to US sanctions, that it is too early to say that there has not been any results?

Given the timelines of this industry and what we know about the development of equipment and the utilization of new equipment, isn't it more reasonable to wait a few years before calling it so early?
Or putting it another way, do you think it is reasonable to expect any "results" at this stage in a scale that would be reported by the likes of SCMP or mainstream English language media?





I think you are over-generalizing China's "crackdown" on "tech" and falsely equating the government's attitudes to companies like Tencent, Alibaba or Didi versus SMIC or SMEE, not to mention falsely equating what value those two groups of corporations provide to the overall technology industry (especially in regards to something like semiconductors).
On the contrary I would argue that China is providing massive support to China's tech sector in more productive and foundational domains, but actively deterring the unhealthy and less productive domains of the tech sector from developing in a manner that is rent seeking and societally distorting.
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Don't know why gadgetcool5 keep repeating the same arguments when he could have the answers with just a little critical thinking.
 
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Meet the HPM 6750, the world's most powerful RISC-V microcontroller.
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It has a record-breaking performance. I think this is quite significant because China previously lacked a truly high-end domestic microcontroller. It entered the scene from the top. Another significant thing is the design is double-precision capable so the chip can be used in precise instruments. The CPU core was developed by a Taiwanese company but since this is a joint project from start, there must be protections against the things the Taiwanese government can pull.
 
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Meet the HPM 6750, the world's most powerful RISC-V microcontroller.
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It has a record-breaking performance. I think this is quite significant because China previously lacked a truly high-end domestic microcontroller. It entered the scene from the top. Another significant thing is the design is double-precision capable so the chip can be used in precise instruments. The CPU core was developed by a Taiwanese company but since this is a joint project from start, there must be protections against the things the Taiwanese government can pull.
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Time to get sanctioned…
 
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The light source on the 1980i could probably be replaced by RSLaser with some modifications but the other parts probably not.
An example is Gigaphoton which supplies its Arf Light Source to many clients of many types of older DUVL.
The best bet for SMIC is to sue ASML under the Entity List Laws and force them to continue supporting ASML DUVLs.
ASML will have no choice but to comply or the Chinese Authorities will penalise them and even throw them out of the country.
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Even with the threat of expulsion and there being alternatives available to ASML machines that are just as effective in various DUV nodes, ASML might be forced by the United States to cut off its nose to spite its face.
 
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@WTAN Sir from @Oldschool, from your previous post you mentioned that China had developed an independent 5G RF, is this the one?

3. Guangzhou Huizhiwei: Fully integrated 5G new frequency band RF front-end transceiver module (L-PAMiF)/S55255

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Today at 12:15 PMNew
All kinds of chips

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2020年“中国芯”优秀产品出炉（全名单来了）,芯片,mcu,低功耗,显示芯片,处理器
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Bloomberg is an exposed lier on reporting "Chinese espionages".

A few years ago it once reported that China hacked the supply chain of Amazon, Microsoft and Apple by planting a "spy chip" in their computer server mainboards. The report is full of unproven claims from "anonymous sources". Bloomberg upon requests refused to give any contact info of the sources, citing to "protect the sources".

Amazon, Microsoft and Apple issued strongly worded statements dismissing the Bloomberg report as being groundless and false. They thoroughly checked their stock and found nothing. Bloomberg's readers demanded the report authors to come forward with solid evidence, i.e. the mainboard with the said spy chip. Of course neither Bloomberg nor the authors could. What Bloomberg depicted as the "spy chip" in the report's cover photo, was later identified by someone as in fact a widely used, 5 cent a piece power regulation chip.

One of the "anonymous sources" the authors interviewed later responded saying that the authors twisted his words. He said that, in the interview, he only explained to them that from the supply chain attack point of view it is in theory possible for China to do so. The reporter authors then made such theoretical possibility sounding as if it was already the reality in their report.

What's even more ironic is that the same authors had been caught fabricating "China hacking" stories previously.

There you go, your trusted source of information.
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they were the same guys who claimed that telnet on Huawei routers was some secret backdoor . :D :D :D
 
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Topazchen said:
they were the same guys who claimed that telnet on Huawei routers was some secret backdoor . :D :D :D
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I still remember a couple of years ago when you had monthly reports that another backdoor was found on Cisco equipment. Or when Intel had the one memory leakage afte the other with all those timing attacks.

Jokingly said to my manager at the time still feel save using Cisco equipment.
 
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@WTAN Sir from @Oldschool, from your previous post you mentioned that China had developed an independent 5G RF, is this the one?

3. Guangzhou Huizhiwei: Fully integrated 5G new frequency band RF front-end transceiver module (L-PAMiF)/S55255

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All kinds of chips

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2020年“中国芯”优秀产品出炉（全名单来了）,芯片,mcu,低功耗,显示芯片,处理器
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It is quite possible that this company has cooperation with Huawei.
News is that recently, Huawei Hisilicon working together with a number of Chinese companies has supposedly, sucessfully developed a 14nm 5G RF Chip.
So we may now see more Huawei 5G Phones coming out.
Huawei is coming back again.
 
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China ‘will be self-sufficient in 28nm chips in two years’​

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If China manages to make 28nm chips with near 100% with homegrown equipment and software (their own semiconductor ecosystem) i think will be bigger and better achievement than making 3nm chips but totally reliant in foreign equipment subject to the hostility and irrationality of U.S. politicians.
 
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