Chinese semiconductor industry
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US government are masters at the art of long-arm jurisdiction. If and when they want to, they will do whatever it takes to enforce whatever they want done in whatever jurisdiction they want. You are talking about what is done directly but they have ways to do things indirectly as well. In this case, all the US has to do is lean on the Netherlands and Japan, and no DUV/EUV lithography machines will be sold to their target. If the equipment was already sold, they just force Netherlands and Japan to stop supplying and supporting those machines. Any non-US allied perpetrators would quickly fall in line because they know once they run out of spare parts or need support or maintenance, it's all over for them. This is easy for the Americans. When it's not so easy, that's when they often bring in the CIA/NED and their funded NGOs to do their more dirty work.
Uncle Sam is all out to sabotage China's chip industry, no matter the level or sophistication of the chips. The secondary aim is to destroy China's industries which are dependent on semi-conducted. And that is not counting the evil intention to sabotage the economy of Sinkiang.
China will develop her own technology just like they did for their weapon systems, space industry and now electronics. It will take some time but the Chinese will get there so long as they can assure the white supremacists and their coloured dogs that any attack on China will mean a very bad day for all their enemies. Look at the mobility of their nuclear missiles. The Chinese are using TELs to hide and launch their missiles on a scale, scope and sophistication never before seen. The same effort was put into the space station and that same effort will be put into semiconductors.
Nothings a given. China faced a lot of hurdles in developing rockets and other advancements. While the comprehensive national power is magnitudes Higher these days, it doesn't guarantee a success in semiconductors.
I am apprehensive that China is giving it the focus that most want it to be given. To be fair to the CPC, they can only support so far and rest is upto the scientists, their brains and luck.
And to be frank, I'd like to have seen more big name players in the core research and manufacturing areas.it's a given that China can create an EUV and DUVL and other technologies atleast by around 2025-2027. What's not clear is whether they can take all this and implement in a fab ( with EDA softwares of their own) to produce chips competitively.
Brains push a country forward luck has nothing to do with it. A good example of brains at work is Singapore.
You are the kind of pessimists I don't like. Developing chips and eq
You are the kind of pessimistic people that should be nowhere near policy making. Making semiconductor equipment and fabricating chips is physics not some magic that only Anglos have mastered.
China will have an independent semiconductor market in 10 years time whether pessimists like you or Anglos like it or not.
Heck even Burundi or Somalia can Ave its own independent semiconductor industry if they wanted. It would just take time
To all our esteem members all this talk (restriction and all) is irrelevant, the ship had sailed and there is no turning back. Yes the obstacle had been laid but really is up to us Chinese to decide. And the decision is to fight back cause we had to its for survival, the struggle may be difficult but the initial seeds had already been sow, now we had to wait for the harvest and its a good one. From previous post the SMEE 28NM DUVL is fully indigenous lets wait and see what it can do. Brothers its China we're talking here and it always surprises us. Sorry for the rant, peace bro.
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In4ser
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Optimists tend not to be scientists or engineers which is what China needs to entrust their semiconductor development to unless you want a bunch of Tsinghua Unigroups or Wuhan Hongxins. The West, especially the US is full of non-STEM leaders who are full of optimism and triumphism. They have sold their bullshit projections and promises to people and everyone believes them which is why they regularly underdeliver everything while being over budget and behind schedule in the US. This is why America’s industries have slowly hallowed out as they’ve replaced technical expertise with politicians and business professionals especially those in marketing and PR because everyone want hear the beautiful lie rather than the ugly truth while raking in short term gains in quarterly reports and in elections.
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Well said. We already know for the 28nm equipment (Q1 2022 mass production?), and 14nm end of 2022(?) for risk/trial production.
There is no reason for some people here to be so pessimistic. As a previous poster said, semiconductors are not some kind of voodoo science that only the Anglo bloodline can do lol.
As long as China stays in its current trajectory the bottleneck dominoes will soon start to fall one by one.
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