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Bellum_Romanum

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Yup but China need to be flexible and allow dual nationality because at first people need to be convinced that working in China is ok, Or make it easier for overseas Chinese to get visa. Well now they already allow 5 years visa for ethnic chinese regardless of generation as long as you can proof that you are ethnic Chinese. A lot of people in Malaysia is now quietly moving back to their home provinces
How would American-Chinese or Canadian-Chinese be able to prove them being Chinese since most of them don't speak the language nor are they intimately familiar with the culture.
 

Hendrik_2000

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How would American-Chinese or Canadian-Chinese be able to prove them being Chinese since most of them don't speak the language nor are they intimately familiar with the culture.

I don't know about African Chinese or American Chinese. but in SEA your ethnicity is recorded on your ID or birth certificate. In Spore even your dialect is on your ID. You can trace it thru your grand father birth certificate. In America you probably need the service of "Ancestry.com" there must be some kind of immigration record
 

gelgoog

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@Bellum_Romanum
In most countries which do this, like Italy, you basically need a genealogical record which includes your Italian ancestors. Their names and birth dates and birth places. Provide enough documentation and paper work and they will give you an Italian passport in due time.

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Imagination Technologies is a UK based company owned by Chinese "China Reform Holdings" via Canyon Bridge Capital Partners. It is a pioneer in GPU technologies with the PowerVR architecture. Historically it was used in the Sega Dreamcast and much later in Intel and Apple embedded GPUs (both Intel and Apple now have their own GPU teams). At one point PowerVR also made consumer grade graphics card chips like the Kyro series. They also have patents in hardware ray tracing. Later to compete with ARM once ARM developed the Mali GPU thus competing against them they purchased the MIPS patents and designed new MIPS CPU cores and tried to sell this technology with their GPUs in the smartphone and embedded market with little success.

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US meddling with Chinese acquisition of a South Korean display driver IC company (they basically make driver chips for display panels like OLEDs).

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We were talking about this the other day CVD diamond coating of wafers to reduce the thermal heating on a chip allowing it to be clocked higher.
 
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So it begins, exactly what our colleagues here were saying all along!

"Wen said, 14-12nm production line is very critical. The 14nm process and above can meet the needs of 70 percent of the current semiconductor manufacturing process, and now the need for 12nm process is in 5G chips."

It now looks like the first Huawei self-made Kirin 5G Chip for Mobile Phones will be released in 2022.
It will be a 12nm 5G SOC.
Huawei will be back in the Mobile Phone Business with its own self-made 5G Chips.
 

gelgoog

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By 2022 12nm will be severely outdated for smartphone SoCs. Even 7nm will likely be used in mid end chips.
They would have a lot more success with 12nm chips in phone baseband towers or automotive smart chips for electric cars.
 

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By 2022 12nm will be severely outdated for smartphone SoCs. Even 7nm will likely be used in low and mid end chips.
They would have a lot more success with 12nm chips in phone baseband towers or automotive smart chips for electric cars.
It will be for Huawei Mid/Low Range 5G Phones.
Huawei needs this Chip to stay in the Mobile Phone business and promote the Harmony OS.
A Kirin 7nm 5G SOC will probably follow in 2023.
 

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By 2022 12nm will be severely outdated for smartphone SoCs. Even 7nm will likely be used in mid end chips.
They would have a lot more success with 12nm chips in phone baseband towers or automotive smart chips for electric cars.
Nah... Nobody would feel a difference. Most people watch videos, play simple games and use social media apps. None of them need much computing power anyway. 12 nm is enough for a lot of things.
 

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By 2022 12nm will be severely outdated for smartphone SoCs. Even 7nm will likely be used in mid end chips.
They would have a lot more success with 12nm chips in phone baseband towers or automotive smart chips for electric cars.
Will it?

For testing, we got a Huawei P20 pro back in 2017. I still think it is a better phone than the Samsung note 10 that I'm using. It had better video stabilization and processing than my Samsung or my wife's iPhone 11Max. It's finger print and rotation sensor is superior to the Samsung I got 2 years later.

The p20 used Kirin 970 (10 nm).

Remember, Androids have traditionally been over spec in order to compensate the inefficiencies that a mini VMs utilize. Apple have done more with less using an optimized kernel.

So while a 12nm Kirin might not be absolutely cutting edge, it will be more than adequate for most users, just as Huawei P20 pro is still good, if I still had it.

Also, there is a chance that Harmony OS will cast off inefficiencies by conforming to a single architecture/platform.
 
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hkbc

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By 2022 12nm will be severely outdated for smartphone SoCs. Even 7nm will likely be used in mid end chips.
They would have a lot more success with 12nm chips in phone baseband towers or automotive smart chips for electric cars.

All this single digit nm stuff is marketing garbage, the feature sizes of the actual transistors never get that small its just a scaling factor that is applied to previous generations to reflect some sort of equivalence. TSMC's '7'nm process is only about equivalent density wise to Intel's '10'nm.

As Intel's venerable 14nm process has shown what you need is a sound process not single digit headlines, so if they can make a robust 14nm one it will be better than a flaky 10nm one. Black cat, White Cat and all that!

As I said before, constraining process makes for better designs.

If you look at the latest and greatest TSMC fabbed 5nm HiSilicon Kirin 9000 chip and huge chunk of it is the AI processor, nothing to do with the actual smartphone SoC which is why its a 15 billion transistor unit compared with a mere 10 billion for the Samsung 5nm fabbed Qualcomm's 888 which has a much smaller DSP/ISP core. They just have to up their design game instead of relying on brute Silicon to get results.
 
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