Chinese semiconductor industry
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A bit of a BS story, Huawei sold Honor to the Shenzhen government so that's a whole slice of market share gone from Huawei, HiSilicon never sold its phone chipset designs outside of Huawei.
Truth of the matter is Huawei kept HiSilicon looks like its moving into automotive chipsets where power and heat dissipation is not an issue so don't need Xnm or Ynm fabs rather just have a good design, keeps the HiSilicon team together and designing stuff, hungry for SMIC or who ever to get to a competitive space.
Wanna kill a company with real smart people in it, don't miss, as mentioned previously the Chinese EV market is growing rapidly and should keep HiSilicon going in the near term!
With respect to base stations only Huawei uses custom silicon, its competitors are FPGA based, push comes top pull just back port the design to an older available fab Intel style!
Depending on the chip design that might not be particularly easy to do. But yes the fact they have a chip design team means they are more insulated from advanced chip supply.
I would imagine Hisilicon could make wonders working with chips over 28nm. Maybe not for cell phones, but the world is not just cell phones.
One does not need a financial calculator if one knows what to do with the simple y power x function. Financial mathematics are essentially the study of the function y power x. In other words, if you master the basics, you can do wonders even if you do not have access to the top technology.
A top notch surgeon does not need the absolutely best scalpel in order to make miracles. Sometimes a pocket knife can save a patient.
I am pretty sure HiSilicon could do miracles to the Chinese chip industry by by offering consulting services to other Chinese companies in order to improve their products.
One does not need a financial calculator if one knows what to do with the simple y power x function. Financial mathematics are essentially the study of the function y power x. In other words, if you master the basics, you can do wonders even if you do not have access to the top technology.
A top notch surgeon does not need the absolutely best scalpel in order to make miracles. Sometimes a pocket knife can save a patient.
I am pretty sure HiSilicon could do miracles to the Chinese chip industry by by offering consulting services to other Chinese companies in order to improve their products.
Agree. But when it comes to volume and total value, none beat smartphone yet.
Hendrik_2000
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Via vincent Havok posting
Havok: fully domesticated test line is being run right now. 28nm lithography equipment will be delivered to the production line at the end of this year. The production line’s capacity is 20k wafer per month
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年底是交付大生产线，不是上验证线。
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If the prototype can be on the verification line before the end of 2021, verify, debug, and eliminate BUG, it will take 1 year at the earliest for everything to go smoothly, and then the commercial version... At the end of the year, it is the delivery of the large production line, not the verification line.
Havok: fully domesticated test line is being run right now. 28nm lithography equipment will be delivered to the production line at the end of this year. The production line’s capacity is 20k wafer per month
20000片/月
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年底是交付大生产线，不是上验证线。
Google trans
If the prototype can be on the verification line before the end of 2021, verify, debug, and eliminate BUG, it will take 1 year at the earliest for everything to go smoothly, and then the commercial version... At the end of the year, it is the delivery of the large production line, not the verification line.
However, when life gives you lemons you can just give up or maybe make some lemonade!
Where there is life, there is hope, or more poetically in Chinese 留得青山在 不怕没柴烧
Glad to hear that.
Hope China fully domesticated fab and equipments/tools would be able to narrow the gap within 5 years and be at parity in a decade or so.
To the Experts need your opinion regarding the news article below and My question is with Huawei producing a PHOTONIC Chips in its Wuhan FABS is there any correlation?
Chinese scientists have successfully demonstrated photonic implementation of quantum information masking in the lab, marking a first in the country that will further pave the way for the research and application of encrypted quantum communication, Global Times learned from leading scientists from the milestone project on Thursday.
from Beidou2020 (Pakistan Defense Forum)
Exclusive: Chinese scientists achieve quantum information masking, paving way for encrypted communication application
Deng Xiaoci
20:27 May 06 2021
Photo taken on May 25, 2016 shows the quantum simulation laboratory under the Chinese Academy of Sciences, in Shanghai, east China. (Xinhua/Cai Yang)
Chinese scientists have successfully demonstrated photonic implementation of quantum information masking in the lab, marking a first in the country that will further pave the way for the research and application of encrypted quantum communication, Global Times learned from leading scientists from the milestone project on Thursday.
Li Chuanfeng, Xu Jinshi and other scientists from the Guo Guangcan academician team of the University of Science and Technology of China in Hefei, East China’s Anhui Province, in collaboration with Li Bo and Liang Xiaobin from Shangrao Normal University of East China’s Jiangsu Province, and Chen Jingling from Nankai University in Tianjin Municipality, have reportedly achieved the feat, as they managed to “hide” quantum information in non-local mixed states.
“We devise a photonic quantum information masking machine using time-correlated photons to experimentally investigate the properties of qubit masking, and demonstrate the transfer of quantum information into bipartite correlations and its faithful retrieval,” according to a paper on the event published by the Chinese scientists.
“The versatile masking machine has decent extensibility, and may be applicable to quantum secret sharing and fault-tolerant quantum communication. Our results provide some insights on the comprehension and potential application of quantum information masking,” said the paper in Physical Review Letters, a US based journal under the American Physical Society.
The experimental results show that the fidelity of the entangled state is 97.7 percent compared with the theoretical value.
The scientists explained the achievement by comparing it to a safe in which important things are stored. If only one key is needed for the safe, the key-holder could secretly open it.
To improve security, it could be upgraded to require several keys to work simultaneously. However, this security measure could also be overcome if one key-holder managed to secretly copy all of the keys. Quantum information masking aims to further secure the safe, as the keys can be hidden in a quantum mixed state that is impossible to copy, Li, who is also the executive deputy director of the Chinese Academy of Sciences' Key Laboratory of Quantum Information, told the Global Times during an exclusive interview on Thursday.
Everyone can only hold one qubit each, and when they need to extract the information in the safe, they will have to work together according to the no-cloning theorem of quantum mixed states, Li explained.
Li also noted that the applications for quantum information masking would rely on the development of quantum memory machines, and it would take 5 to 10 years to enable its application.
Chinese scientists have successfully demonstrated photonic implementation of quantum information masking in the lab, marking a first in the country that will further pave the way for the research and application of encrypted quantum communication, Global Times learned from leading scientists from the milestone project on Thursday.
from Beidou2020 (Pakistan Defense Forum)
Exclusive: Chinese scientists achieve quantum information masking, paving way for encrypted communication application
Deng Xiaoci
20:27 May 06 2021
Photo taken on May 25, 2016 shows the quantum simulation laboratory under the Chinese Academy of Sciences, in Shanghai, east China. (Xinhua/Cai Yang)
Chinese scientists have successfully demonstrated photonic implementation of quantum information masking in the lab, marking a first in the country that will further pave the way for the research and application of encrypted quantum communication, Global Times learned from leading scientists from the milestone project on Thursday.
Li Chuanfeng, Xu Jinshi and other scientists from the Guo Guangcan academician team of the University of Science and Technology of China in Hefei, East China’s Anhui Province, in collaboration with Li Bo and Liang Xiaobin from Shangrao Normal University of East China’s Jiangsu Province, and Chen Jingling from Nankai University in Tianjin Municipality, have reportedly achieved the feat, as they managed to “hide” quantum information in non-local mixed states.
“We devise a photonic quantum information masking machine using time-correlated photons to experimentally investigate the properties of qubit masking, and demonstrate the transfer of quantum information into bipartite correlations and its faithful retrieval,” according to a paper on the event published by the Chinese scientists.
“The versatile masking machine has decent extensibility, and may be applicable to quantum secret sharing and fault-tolerant quantum communication. Our results provide some insights on the comprehension and potential application of quantum information masking,” said the paper in Physical Review Letters, a US based journal under the American Physical Society.
The experimental results show that the fidelity of the entangled state is 97.7 percent compared with the theoretical value.
The scientists explained the achievement by comparing it to a safe in which important things are stored. If only one key is needed for the safe, the key-holder could secretly open it.
To improve security, it could be upgraded to require several keys to work simultaneously. However, this security measure could also be overcome if one key-holder managed to secretly copy all of the keys. Quantum information masking aims to further secure the safe, as the keys can be hidden in a quantum mixed state that is impossible to copy, Li, who is also the executive deputy director of the Chinese Academy of Sciences' Key Laboratory of Quantum Information, told the Global Times during an exclusive interview on Thursday.
Everyone can only hold one qubit each, and when they need to extract the information in the safe, they will have to work together according to the no-cloning theorem of quantum mixed states, Li explained.
Li also noted that the applications for quantum information masking would rely on the development of quantum memory machines, and it would take 5 to 10 years to enable its application.
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