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WTAN

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I have found this. If I am reading well it looks like EUVL will be ready in 2 years.

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Yes, i have read this article.
The Author seems convinced that the EUV Research by Harbin Inst and Changchun Inst is at a advanced stage. The DPP EUV Light source ready and a EUVL prototype built and many breakthroughs have been made. It will be ready in 2yrs.
Others say the EUVL will come out in 2025.
So.......we will see.
 

Alb

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2022 roll out?

@WTAN

All your post had been vindicated, hopefully more info and news especially the light source.

Research and development of lithography machine: Harbin Institute of Technology is never absent in the country's urgent need​

Harbin Institute of Technology has never been absent in the country's urgent need, and now the country urgently needs lithography machines. The emergence of the DPP-EUV light source of Harbin Institute of Technology is really an epic achievement. First-class universities should have the world's top level. This is the result of decades of accumulation of Harbin Institute of Technology in the field of ultra-precision machining and ultra-precision measurement!
A breakthrough has already been made in the lens and exposure system required by the lithography machine where the Changchun Opto-Mechanics of the Chinese Academy of Sciences is located, and the latest news also shows that the laboratory where Changchun Opto-Mechanics has built a set of EUV light source equipment.The Changchun Institute of Optics and Mechanics is developing EUV exposure machine based on Harbin Institute of Technology DPP-EUV light source, which is expected to be launched within two years. The two core components of the lithography machine are the dual workpiece stage and the exposure system.
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EUV lithography is called extreme ultraviolet lithography (Extreme Ultra-violet), and there are two main types of light sources:
1. One is DPP-EUV extreme ultraviolet light source. Discharge excited plasma EUV extreme ultraviolet light source
The Dutch ASML lithography machine company and Harbin Institute of Technology are all researching this kind.
The DPP EUV light source uses discharge to make the load (Xe or Sn) form plasma, radiates ultraviolet rays, and uses a multilayer mirror to reflect and purify the energy spectrum to obtain 1 EUV light.

The advantages of the DPP EUV light source are high energy conversion efficiency for EUV generation and low cost; the disadvantage is that the electrode heat load is high, there are many fragments, the mechanism is complicated, the optical device is easily damaged, and the light collection angle is small.

2. Laser plasma light source (LPP)
The LPP EUV system mainly includes lasers, convergent lenses, loads, light collectors, masks, projection optical systems and chips.
The principle is to use a high-power laser to heat a load (Xe or Sn) to form plasma, which radiates ultraviolet rays, and uses a multilayer mirror to reflect and purify the energy spectrum to obtain 1 EUV light.
The advantages of the LPP EUV light source are the small size of the light source, fewer types of debris or particles, high light collection efficiency, and easier amplification of EUV output power. Of course, it also has shortcomings, mainly because the system design is complicated and expensive.
These 2 kinds of light sources. Harbin Institute of Technology researched 15 years ago!
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Two main units of China's research on EUV extreme ultraviolet light source:
1. Harbin Institute of Technology National Key Laboratory of Tunable Laser Technology.
2. Shanghai Institute of Optics and Mechanics, Chinese Academy of Sciences (a researcher who graduated from Harbin Institute of Technology is responsible for the project, deputy director. One of the responsible persons of Shenguang 2).The major breakthroughs made by Harbin Institute of Technology are:The discharge excites the plasma EUV extreme ultraviolet light source. It is the same EUV extreme ultraviolet light source with the Dutch ASML Lithography Machine Company. But it will take 2 years to make it a lithography machine!For the Dutch lithography machine, the extreme ultraviolet light source is currently produced in the United States, and some main components are produced in Germany and other countries, and the cleaning components are produced by Lanying equipment. If the 3-5nm lithography machine is made domestically within two years, Huawei will be saved! Harbin Institute of Technology is unparalleled in the world!The following is the world's leading result. Also from the laboratory of Harbin Institute of Technology.
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Harbin Institute of Technology can rush to the motherland when needed. This is the responsibility of the Military University!in fact
China successfully studied the lithography machine in 1977.
At that time, there was no such company as the Dutch ASML Lithography Machine Company.
It is a pity that in the 1980s, China was not as good as buying.
In the past, the Japanese used laser plasma light sources.
The Dutch ASML lithography machine company uses a gas discharge excited plasma EUV extreme ultraviolet light source
(Harbin Institute of Technology National Key Laboratory of Gas Tunable Laser Technology researches the same thing as them).
The Dutch succeeded.
 

Kancil

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The problem with the Brookings article is it doesn't recognize not all applications need the most advanced processes. Advanced processes are essential to high-end cellphones and bit-coin mining because power efficiency are critical there. So yes I'm pessimistic about the viability of Huawei's flagship segment smartphone business, but 28nm is enough to keep its core network infrastructure business viable for a while.

Take a look at flat display panels. Chinese manufacturers are behind their South Korean counterparts in the most advanced OLED segment, but they are so competitive in the mass volume LCD segment South Koreans are basically giving up LCD. If China can dominate less advanced processes globally, then advanced players will have significantly less revenue for R&D.

The problem with the Brookings article is it doesn't recognize not all applications need the most advanced processes. Advanced processes are essential to high-end cellphones and bit-coin mining because power efficiency are critical there. So yes I'm pessimistic about the viability of Huawei's flagship segment smartphone business, but 28nm is enough to keep its core network infrastructure business viable for a while.

Take a look at flat display panels. Chinese manufacturers are behind their South Korean counterparts in the most advanced OLED segment, but they are so competitive in the mass volume LCD segment South Koreans are basically giving up LCD. If China can dominate less advanced processes globally, then advanced players will have significantly less revenue for R&D.
It is like let the opposition take all the high grounds while you conquer all the surrounding lower grounds and slowly advance uphill. Let TSMC / Samsung take over the high cost, high end chips until there is fewer and fewer high value clients while the Chinese capture the low, middle and upper mid level market. Eventually TSMC / Samsung would have reach the physical limits of chip making or there won't be any high value clients left.
 

ansy1968

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Yes, i have read this article.
The Author seems convinced that the EUV Research by Harbin Inst and Changchun Inst is at a advanced stage. The DPP EUV Light source ready and a EUVL prototype built and many breakthroughs have been made. It will be ready in 2yrs.
2022 time frame?
Others say the EUVL will come out in 2025.
LPP EUVL?
 

ansy1968

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Research and development of lithography machine: Harbin Institute of Technology is never absent in the country's urgent need​

Harbin Institute of Technology has never been absent in the country's urgent need, and now the country urgently needs lithography machines. The emergence of the DPP-EUV light source of Harbin Institute of Technology is really an epic achievement. First-class universities should have the world's top level. This is the result of decades of accumulation of Harbin Institute of Technology in the field of ultra-precision machining and ultra-precision measurement!
A breakthrough has already been made in the lens and exposure system required by the lithography machine where the Changchun Opto-Mechanics of the Chinese Academy of Sciences is located, and the latest news also shows that the laboratory where Changchun Opto-Mechanics has built a set of EUV light source equipment.The Changchun Institute of Optics and Mechanics is developing EUV exposure machine based on Harbin Institute of Technology DPP-EUV light source, which is expected to be launched within two years. The two core components of the lithography machine are the dual workpiece stage and the exposure system.
Image
EUV lithography is called extreme ultraviolet lithography (Extreme Ultra-violet), and there are two main types of light sources:
1. One is DPP-EUV extreme ultraviolet light source. Discharge excited plasma EUV extreme ultraviolet light source
The Dutch ASML lithography machine company and Harbin Institute of Technology are all researching this kind.
The DPP EUV light source uses discharge to make the load (Xe or Sn) form plasma, radiates ultraviolet rays, and uses a multilayer mirror to reflect and purify the energy spectrum to obtain 1 EUV light.

The advantages of the DPP EUV light source are high energy conversion efficiency for EUV generation and low cost; the disadvantage is that the electrode heat load is high, there are many fragments, the mechanism is complicated, the optical device is easily damaged, and the light collection angle is small.

2. Laser plasma light source (LPP)
The LPP EUV system mainly includes lasers, convergent lenses, loads, light collectors, masks, projection optical systems and chips.
The principle is to use a high-power laser to heat a load (Xe or Sn) to form plasma, which radiates ultraviolet rays, and uses a multilayer mirror to reflect and purify the energy spectrum to obtain 1 EUV light.
The advantages of the LPP EUV light source are the small size of the light source, fewer types of debris or particles, high light collection efficiency, and easier amplification of EUV output power. Of course, it also has shortcomings, mainly because the system design is complicated and expensive.
These 2 kinds of light sources. Harbin Institute of Technology researched 15 years ago!
Image

Two main units of China's research on EUV extreme ultraviolet light source:
1. Harbin Institute of Technology National Key Laboratory of Tunable Laser Technology.
2. Shanghai Institute of Optics and Mechanics, Chinese Academy of Sciences (a researcher who graduated from Harbin Institute of Technology is responsible for the project, deputy director. One of the responsible persons of Shenguang 2).The major breakthroughs made by Harbin Institute of Technology are:The discharge excites the plasma EUV extreme ultraviolet light source. It is the same EUV extreme ultraviolet light source with the Dutch ASML Lithography Machine Company. But it will take 2 years to make it a lithography machine!For the Dutch lithography machine, the extreme ultraviolet light source is currently produced in the United States, and some main components are produced in Germany and other countries, and the cleaning components are produced by Lanying equipment. If the 3-5nm lithography machine is made domestically within two years, Huawei will be saved! Harbin Institute of Technology is unparalleled in the world!The following is the world's leading result. Also from the laboratory of Harbin Institute of Technology.
Image



Harbin Institute of Technology can rush to the motherland when needed. This is the responsibility of the Military University!in fact
China successfully studied the lithography machine in 1977.
At that time, there was no such company as the Dutch ASML Lithography Machine Company.
It is a pity that in the 1980s, China was not as good as buying.
In the past, the Japanese used laser plasma light sources.
The Dutch ASML lithography machine company uses a gas discharge excited plasma EUV extreme ultraviolet light source
(Harbin Institute of Technology National Key Laboratory of Gas Tunable Laser Technology researches the same thing as them).
The Dutch succeeded.
@Alb

Thanks really appreciated.
 

Hendrik_2000

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Research and development of lithography machine: Harbin Institute of Technology is never absent in the country's urgent need​

Harbin Institute of Technology has never been absent in the country's urgent need, and now the country urgently needs lithography machines. The emergence of the DPP-EUV light source of Harbin Institute of Technology is really an epic achievement. First-class universities should have the world's top level. This is the result of decades of accumulation of Harbin Institute of Technology in the field of ultra-precision machining and ultra-precision measurement!
A breakthrough has already been made in the lens and exposure system required by the lithography machine where the Changchun Opto-Mechanics of the Chinese Academy of Sciences is located, and the latest news also shows that the laboratory where Changchun Opto-Mechanics has built a set of EUV light source equipment.The Changchun Institute of Optics and Mechanics is developing EUV exposure machine based on Harbin Institute of Technology DPP-EUV light source, which is expected to be launched within two years. The two core components of the lithography machine are the dual workpiece stage and the exposure system.
Image
EUV lithography is called extreme ultraviolet lithography (Extreme Ultra-violet), and there are two main types of light sources:
1. One is DPP-EUV extreme ultraviolet light source. Discharge excited plasma EUV extreme ultraviolet light source
The Dutch ASML lithography machine company and Harbin Institute of Technology are all researching this kind.
The DPP EUV light source uses discharge to make the load (Xe or Sn) form plasma, radiates ultraviolet rays, and uses a multilayer mirror to reflect and purify the energy spectrum to obtain 1 EUV light.

The advantages of the DPP EUV light source are high energy conversion efficiency for EUV generation and low cost; the disadvantage is that the electrode heat load is high, there are many fragments, the mechanism is complicated, the optical device is easily damaged, and the light collection angle is small.

2. Laser plasma light source (LPP)
The LPP EUV system mainly includes lasers, convergent lenses, loads, light collectors, masks, projection optical systems and chips.
The principle is to use a high-power laser to heat a load (Xe or Sn) to form plasma, which radiates ultraviolet rays, and uses a multilayer mirror to reflect and purify the energy spectrum to obtain 1 EUV light.
The advantages of the LPP EUV light source are the small size of the light source, fewer types of debris or particles, high light collection efficiency, and easier amplification of EUV output power. Of course, it also has shortcomings, mainly because the system design is complicated and expensive.
These 2 kinds of light sources. Harbin Institute of Technology researched 15 years ago!
Image

Two main units of China's research on EUV extreme ultraviolet light source:
1. Harbin Institute of Technology National Key Laboratory of Tunable Laser Technology.
2. Shanghai Institute of Optics and Mechanics, Chinese Academy of Sciences (a researcher who graduated from Harbin Institute of Technology is responsible for the project, deputy director. One of the responsible persons of Shenguang 2).The major breakthroughs made by Harbin Institute of Technology are:The discharge excites the plasma EUV extreme ultraviolet light source. It is the same EUV extreme ultraviolet light source with the Dutch ASML Lithography Machine Company. But it will take 2 years to make it a lithography machine!For the Dutch lithography machine, the extreme ultraviolet light source is currently produced in the United States, and some main components are produced in Germany and other countries, and the cleaning components are produced by Lanying equipment. If the 3-5nm lithography machine is made domestically within two years, Huawei will be saved! Harbin Institute of Technology is unparalleled in the world!The following is the world's leading result. Also from the laboratory of Harbin Institute of Technology.
Image



Harbin Institute of Technology can rush to the motherland when needed. This is the responsibility of the Military University!in fact
China successfully studied the lithography machine in 1977.
At that time, there was no such company as the Dutch ASML Lithography Machine Company.
It is a pity that in the 1980s, China was not as good as buying.
In the past, the Japanese used laser plasma light sources.
The Dutch ASML lithography machine company uses a gas discharge excited plasma EUV extreme ultraviolet light source
(Harbin Institute of Technology National Key Laboratory of Gas Tunable Laser Technology researches the same thing as them).
The Dutch succeeded.

This is an excellent paper Reading it I get the impression that researched into EUV was started 15 years ago about the same time as ASML but for some reason it stay as research project. I am really sad at the lack of vision on the the behalf of captain of semiconductor industry They just sleep on the job Not surprising since most of them are graduate from MBa program in the west and they buy line, hook and sink into " globalization" "comparative advantage BS" Now they they pay very dearly for their mistake today news Huawei Phone sale drop by 42 %
 
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