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What kind of fake apology would that be if they still insist it's for the (fake) cause of social justice?

You only make an apology when you admit that you have made the mistake of wrongly accusing someone.

Otherwise, just be frank that you make the fake apology just so you can continue to make tons of money from your country.
 

huemens

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Does china need Intel?
otherwise fuck ‘em, make an example of them and kick them out, and also charge the board members with espionage as a nice cherry on top.

AMD CPUs actually have been much ahead of Intel CPUs in terms of performance and efficiency for a few years now. AMD manufactures using latest TSMC processes while Intel is still stuck behind TSMC. Also AMD uses an advanced chiplet based design in all its modern CPUs. Intel originally mocked AMD for the chiplet design in 2017. This year Intel finally realized their mistake and embraced the chiplet design themselves.

People who actually understands CPUs are rapidly changing to AMD for all x86 needs. For example big companies like Netflix and Cloudflare have already migrated to AMD. All these companies are at the same time trying to get rid of x86 completely and go for ARM or RISC-V based in-house CPUs. Intel is still selling because of their famous brand name around the world. It is usually bought by people who mostly uses only the Brand name as the measure of quality.
 

BlackWindMnt

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Yeah i jumped on the apple silicon bandwagon hope when this work macbook has done its 3~4 year duty.
Huawei will have its own HarmonyOS huawei silicon matebook pro.

Intel sucks in laptop it runs hot and fans are loud when just browsing with chromemium based browsers.
 

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Did Samsung Just Endorse YMTC’s Xtacking?​


During his December 15
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keynote speech, Samsung Electronics Chairman Kinam Kim really surprised me. He spoke favorably of the approach that YMTC is using to produce 3D NAND flash.

This approach, which YMTC named “Xtacking,” involves the use of two separate wafers to manufacture a 3D NAND chip. The brief way to describe it is to say that the memory core is made on one wafer using a 3D NAND process, and the peripheral logic is produced on its own wafer using a CMOS logic process. The two wafers are then bonded together. It’s a more expensive process, but it got YMTC into the market faster, which was that company’s primary goal.

What Dr. Kim said when presenting this was:

To meet I/O bandwidth requirements, which are expected to double every three years, greater efforts to address thermal budget reduction and thermal budget decoupling are needed. A wafer-bonding process, as an example, that decouples process thermal budget for memory cells and peripheral transistors is one way to accomplish this.
This falls short of an actual endorsement, but it certainly makes me wonder if Samsung may itself plan to use this approach. It’s not clear from the presentation whether or when this might occur.

The image at the beginning of this post was a small part of a slide showing NAND flash’s history and roadmap from 2014 through 2030. The whole diagram, courtesy of IEDM, appears below. (The resolution is low because it was reproduced as one of eight diagrams published on a single page.)

Note that Xtacking appears as early as 2025, while “Cell on Peri(phery)” or COP doesn’t appear until 2020. COP is Samsung’s name for the CUA (CMOS Under Array) approach that Micron and Intel used to launch their first 3D NAND chips in 2015. This approach is now used by all flash makers except for Samsung and YMTC. Samsung also showed “Multi-Stack” appearing at the same time, although that technology was first introduced by Intel and Micron with their 64-layer part in 2017. In the industry it also goes by the names
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and “Decks.” Until recently, Samsung explained that they did not need to use either of these complex approaches to beat their competitors’ cost structures, so that’s probably why they appear so late in the chart.

With that in mind, it’s a big surprise that Xtacking appears as early as 2025. Given that this is the first time that I have heard the company even mention the technology, that makes me wonder what Samsung’s plans are for Xtacking.

It’s a positive thing for YMTC, though, to have its approach included in an important presentation by the world’s leading NAND flash producer.

Naturally, I’ll be watching this technology and reporting more in future posts. For more regular updates on the status of the industry readers are welcome to contact
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