Patriot missiles getting humiliated by Iranian drones didn’t prevent the U.S. from selling them to the Saudis/Ukraine. I don’t see what the big deal is.
Chinese Radar Developments - KLJ series and others
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Yeah.. it's too widely overblown. Serious customer will be more than willing to look for more information. Also Venezuela case is to lack of the better words, sloppy. When the military itself doesnt really "active", not even the best equipment can save them.
The better case still Serbia, like Sa-6, Sa-3 was deeply compromised to the west already yet Serbian military still have the fighting motivation to use them and were able to produce result.
Like if people actually rely on so called "combat records". The best Chinese system would be HQ-2 as it was proven for decades shooting down Lockheed U-2 and 5 of them. But there are reasons why China today move on to HQ-9, 16 etc.
This was already talked to death in the Taiwan thread, do we really need to keep kicking the can down the road? We all agreed that a IADS would be hard-pressed to defend a focused attack from the US, KLJ and S-300 could've worked perfectly, and it probably wouldn't have mattered because the S-300 was probably purposely stationed away from Caracas.
Well, this article should tell everyone what they need to know about how capable Venezuela's AD network and military as a whole was. Mind you, this article is from June 25', long before this whole Trump/Venezuela rhetoric began and when the first few US assets began to head towards Venezuela for the build up (August 25'), and long before the operation was actually conducted (January 26').
Yes, it isn't about how effective these radar system actually is. It's about bad publicity for Chinese weapons and future oversea markets
What a weird line of thinking. The US has had F-16, M-1, M-2, M-777, HIMARS, Patriot, M-270, etc. lost in Ukraine, hundreds of them in total and worth up to billions of dollars. Are you worried about the publicity for American weapons and their future oversea markets?
Let's be real，Chinese and American weapons are not in the same position on international arms market at the moment. US weapons have been proven effective in mutiple large scale wars，thanks to the US involvement in those wars. Chinese weapons on the other hand，aren't battle tested，the effectiveness is unknown，that is what many military analysts says.
You want to showcase how good your weapons are? First you need to start a war
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Yeah "battle tested" and "effective" in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, prior to in Ukraine. How many airplanes and helicopters did the US lose in Vietnam alone? I heard the numbers were in thousands. These weapons, operated by the Americans themselves, were destroyed by "third world armies" and even guerillas. That didn't stop the US from being able to sell more weapons worth of trillions to its vassals and client states after the wars.
Now Venezuelans lost a few old Chinese radars in a coup-like sneak attack by the most elite SOF of the US military and you say it's bad publicity for Chinese weapons?
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It's just Western propaganda. Western weapons are very effective when you already have a heavy advantage. Those "large scale wars" are just the US beating on a little country. It wouldn't have mattered what weapons they had because they don't have the network, numbers, and training to make them effective. When they don't have that advantage, as we saw in Sindoor, Chinese weapons outshined them. By all accounts, India has more aircraft and a higher military budget than Pakistan, but the advantage was not enough this time. For Western weapons to be "proven effective," the power difference needs to be US vs Iraq or Venezuela kind of difference.
But if you're saying that on the international arms market, most counties buy Western propaganda, then you'd probably be right.
Okay, now you're just wasting everyone's time in a way that is off topic and either reflective of poor understanding or writing bait, or both.
One year ban, as you've already had a 2 month ban in the past. Permanent on next offense upon return.