Chinese purchase of Su-35
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BTW, this is how china supports russia, and RUR-CNY:
MARCH 26, 2020 / 1:39 AM / 5 DAYS AGO
China buys record volume of Russian oil as European demand dives: traders
and here is the last time:
JUN 24, 2013
Russia, China Sign 'Unprecedented' $270 Billion Oil Deal
comparing with oil money, su-35 is ...... nothing
How on earth do you now the PL-21 isn't in service yet. It's been photographed for years. For all we know it could have even been retired by now! lol Of course being serious, your idea is right but the R-37 would need to be carefully evaluated first. You automatically assume it's perfect while assuming an old PLAAF missile isn't even in service.
The R-37 base model is in service with MiG-31BMs. The R-37M has already been successfully tested by the Indians for an export order.
As for the PL-10 vs micromissile comparison, they're not in the same class as the PL-10 is about twice as large as the CUDA prototypes.
Other holes in the Chinese missile arsenal:
Medium-range IR (counter-stealth missiles)
Multi-mode seeker a2a missiles
Strike missiles that can be launched from stealth platforms with compact internal bays
Active chaff self-defense missiles (as opposed to micromissiles in general)
Brahmos-class hypersonic anti-ship missiles (YJ-18 is different, as it's Klub-class)
Just saying, there's nothing wrong with Chinese cooperation with other parties. We know that the Russians, ruble for RMB, are more cost-effective than the Chinese as the Chinese are still building their R&D capability (and the Russians will probably lose theirs within a generation). There's little reason for the Chinese not to have Su-35s (and later Su-57s) flying so they can continue to access Russian missile arsenals while the gap is bridged.
As for the PL-10 vs micromissile comparison, they're not in the same class as the PL-10 is about twice as large as the CUDA prototypes.
Other holes in the Chinese missile arsenal:
Medium-range IR (counter-stealth missiles)
Multi-mode seeker a2a missiles
Strike missiles that can be launched from stealth platforms with compact internal bays
Active chaff self-defense missiles (as opposed to micromissiles in general)
Brahmos-class hypersonic anti-ship missiles (YJ-18 is different, as it's Klub-class)
Just saying, there's nothing wrong with Chinese cooperation with other parties. We know that the Russians, ruble for RMB, are more cost-effective than the Chinese as the Chinese are still building their R&D capability (and the Russians will probably lose theirs within a generation). There's little reason for the Chinese not to have Su-35s (and later Su-57s) flying so they can continue to access Russian missile arsenals while the gap is bridged.
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Please ... is this again a discussion for the sake of discussing?? were were - already again off-topic - discussing Air-to-Air-missiles and now you are mentioning some very exotic missiles of any type. Also again you are only looking at the PLAAF "holes" and again ignore the Russian ones ...
Medium-range IR (counter-stealth missiles) ... which one does the RuAF have in service?
Multi-mode seeker a2a missiles ... again which one does the RuAF have in service?
Strike missiles that can be launched from stealth platforms with compact internal bays ... are you sure, the PLAAF does not have? At least there are reports concerning such a missile for the J-20, and by the way, the PLAAF has at least a stealth fighter in service!
Active chaff self-defense missiles (as opposed to micromissiles in general) ... oh come on! and what does the RuAF have??
Brahmos-class hypersonic anti-ship missiles (YJ-18 is different, as it's Klub-class) ... Brahmos is not hypersonic and the PLA has the YJ-12.
Again I don't get it: You list systems, that several other countries including the USA and Russia do not have and argue with this lack, the PLAAF should buy that from Russia, where it is not even in their own service?
By the way, this topic is for the Su-35 and not your sales-prospects of Russian systems, that not even the RuAF operates.
Please ... is this again a discussion for the sake of discussing?? were were - already again off-topic - discussing Air-to-Air-missiles and now you are mentioning some very exotic missiles of any type. Also again you are only looking at the PLAAF "holes" and again ignore the Russian ones ...
Medium-range IR (counter-stealth missiles) ... which one does the RuAF have in service?
Multi-mode seeker a2a missiles ... again which one does the RuAF have in service?
Strike missiles that can be launched from stealth platforms with compact internal bays ... are you sure, the PLAAF does not have? At least there are reports concerning such a missile for the J-20, and by the way, the PLAAF has at least a stealth fighter in service!
Active chaff self-defense missiles (as opposed to micromissiles in general) ... oh come on! and what does the RuAF have??
Brahmos-class hypersonic anti-ship missiles (YJ-18 is different, as it's Klub-class) ... Brahmos is not hypersonic and the PLA has the YJ-12.
Again I don't get it: You list systems, that several other countries including the USA and Russia do not have and argue with this lack, the PLAAF should buy that from Russia, where it is not even in their own service?
By the way, this topic is for the Su-35 and not your sales-prospects of Russian systems, that not even the RuAF operates.
What missile loadouts are seen on Chinese Su-35's? The standard PL's?
They never integrated domestic missiles with Su-35.
Awesome! Do you know what missiles were used?