Chinese purchase of Su-35

Dizasta1

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Have we seen the J-20 based in the SCS?? I don't recall that?? did you mean Su-35s??
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There were a few posts and even a video posted very recently right here on sinodefense. Which stated that China is deploying a detachment of J-20s "and" Su-35s in South China Sea. Signaling to America that China was dead serious about defending it's territory in South China Sea.
 
manqiangrexue

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Dizasta1 said:
There were a few posts and even a video posted very recently right here on sinodefense. Which stated that China is deploying a detachment of J-20s "and" Su-35s in South China Sea. Signaling to America that China was dead serious about defending it's territory in South China Sea.
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I can see maybe Su-35 but J-20? I really don't think so. No satellite images, no Chinese statements, nothing. I believe it all started when a paranoid reporter on some Yahoo-level news outlet started talking about China sending J-20 to the SCS presumably because he doesn't understand military matters and assumed you send your best whenever, wherever possible. At this point, without significant ugly escalation, I don't even see Su-35 in the foreseeable future being sent there. J-20? My opinion, no way. They at least need to station them in Hainan or somewhere for a while to see how the parts perform in the humid sea air conditions. Russia can send Su-57 to Syria but China's not crazy.
 
Air Force Brat

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Dizasta1 said:
There were a few posts and even a video posted very recently right here on sinodefense. Which stated that China is deploying a detachment of J-20s "and" Su-35s in South China Sea. Signaling to America that China was dead serious about defending it's territory in South China Sea.
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I wouldn't be surprised to see the Su-35s anywhere the Chinese might feel the need for "Airpower", but I rather doubt the J-20 will be stationed anywhere near the SCS, not saying it won't fly out?? but I'm doubtful they would want to expose it to the elements at this particular stage of development and deployment..

No one in the free world has any reason to doubt China's desire to maintain their recent land acquisitions in the South China Sea, nor should China doubt that the US will continue to run FON-OPs in the SCS to maintain freedom of navigation and prevent hi-jinxs! The previous administration "dropped the ball", not only on the South China Sea, but in former Soviet Georgia and the Ukraine...

The Trump administration will not make that mistake.. the Chinese know that, and that is one reason they probably at some point will move at least a half dozen SU-35s to the SCS theatre of flight ops?

I would love to hear what the pilots think of the Su-35, particularly those gentlemen who might have transitioned out of J-11A or J-11B squadron.. No doubt they love the AL-41F1S and its OVT, none at all they are enjoying pushing those big Flankers around with authority!
 
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Dizasta1 said:
There were a few posts and even a video posted very recently right here on sinodefense. Which stated that China is deploying a detachment of J-20s "and" Su-35s in South China Sea. Signaling to America that China was dead serious about defending it's territory in South China Sea.
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The Su-35 is deployed in southern China but I doubt they are stationed on any of the islands right now. As for the J-20, they are stationed in eastern China (around Nanjing?) to defend against F-22s/F-35s from Okinawa.
 
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siegecrossbow said:
The Su-35 is deployed in southern China but I doubt they are stationed on any of the islands right now. As for the J-20, they are stationed in eastern China (around Nanjing?) to defend against F-22s/F-35s from Okinawa.
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and that makes perfect sense Siege, but it wouldn't surprise me to see those SU-35s pop up anywhere, particularly if F-35s or F-22s are doing flight ops nearby,, it would make a perfect opportunity to study each other "up-close" and yet not "give away the store" so to speak.
 
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Multiple sources within Russia and the People’s Liberation Army Air Force suggest that Beijing and Moscow may have struck a preliminary deal for procurement by the PLAAF of more of Russian-made Sukhoi Su-35 fighters.

Hong Kong-based military monthly Kanwa Defense Review reported in February that the second batch of the highly maneuverable aircraft with thrust-vectoring engines had already descended on PLA airbases in southern China.

Among those tipped as the likely locations to service and hangar the multi-role air-superiority fighters is the Suixi airbase in southern China’s Guangdong province, which is under the PLA’s Southern Theater Command.

Several Su-35s joined the PLA’s recent circumnavigations of Taiwan and air patrols above the South China Sea, along with Su-30s, H-6K bombers and jammer aircraft.

In November 2015, the PLA became the first export customer for the Su-35 after Moscow and Beijing signed a US$2 billion contract for the purchase of 24 of the fighters. The first four aircraft were delivered in December 2016.

Citing sources within the Russian defense industry, the magazine noted that Su-35 producer Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aircraft Plant had been canvassing more orders after satisfactory feedback from the PLA about the speed and quality of the initial delivery batch.

The Su-35 was a modernized derivative of the Su-27 fighters earmarked for export in the late 1980s, but the disintegration of the Soviet Union and the West’s arms embargo clipped its wings, until orders from Beijing threw a lifeline.

Subsequent improvements have also been made to its cockpit, structural design and weapons-control system over the years.

It’s also said that Beijing has made it clear that more orders can only come under the parameters of knowledge transfer and localized production of some sub-systems and avionics, a tried and true tactic to replicate overseas technologies for cheaper, home-made alternatives.

Still, analysts say Russia may be willing to oblige now that there is a genuine rapport between the two powers, and a plethora of bilateral co-development and co-production of weapons and planes – ranging from cruise missiles to wide-body airliners – is also making headway.

Moscow curtailed arms transfers and cooperation around 2005 over Chinese reverse engineering of weapons systems, especially aircraft engines and components.

But now it has also agreed to sell China advanced S-400 air and missile defense systems, among others, after several years of lobbying by Beijing.

Meanwhile, the Indonesian Air Force also finalized the purchase contract for 11 Su-35s in February, with the first delivery expected by October. India and the United Arab Emirates are reportedly mulling possible purchases as well.
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