chinese mines

does anyone know what kind of mines china has or have any pics, thanks.

the em-52 mine (also known as T-1) is a submarine-laid fast-rising rocket-propelled bottom mine. It is laid in the sea bottom and will rise to surface with its rocket propulsion. The mind is unguided.(from sinodefence


The Mao-4 (M-4) acoustic moored mine is China’s first indigenously developed sea mine. It is designed to attack medium-size surface ships and submarines. It’s detector is said to have strong resistance to the background noise.
(from sinodfence)


The Mao-2 (M-2) moored mine is a Chinese copy of the Soviet KSM medium mine developed in the 1950s. It is carried by surface ships and is designed to attack surface ships. It is particularly suitable for blocking enemy seaports and sea routes.
(from sinodefence)

the mao-4 would be great for a spratly island conflict they could lay the between the islands and delay any navy from stopping them

Chinese Mine Technology

Hey guys,

I am doing research for personal interest into Chinese Naval weaponry and was curious about their technological level in the realm of ASW/ASUW Mine Warfare (MIW). I did perform a search and found this previous thread from 2006.

http://www.sinodefenceforum.com/navy/chinese-mines-1168.html

I was wondering if there was an updated list of these weapons at Sinodefence or elsewhere outlining any notable developments in PLAN use of MIW.

I have been on sinodefence.com looking for the page mentioned in the thread above but have been unable to find it; though I have the same problem finding hammers in a hardware store It's probably right in front of me.

Thanks!
-G

Re: Chinese Mine Technology

Grasor said:

Hey guys,

I am doing research for personal interest into Chinese Naval weaponry and was curious about their technological level in the realm of ASW/ASUW Mine Warfare (MIW). I did perform a search and found this previous thread from 2006.

http://www.sinodefenceforum.com/navy/chinese-mines-1168.html

I was wondering if there was an updated list of these weapons at Sinodefence or elsewhere outlining any notable developments in PLAN use of MIW.

I have been on sinodefence.com looking for the page mentioned in the thread above but have been unable to find it; though I have the same problem finding hammers in a hardware store It's probably right in front of me.

Thanks!
-G

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There was a thread about submersible SAMs in here where posted a link to the US Naval War College website to a PDF document on Chinese Mine Warfare. I checked the site and apparently they removed it for some reason. I did a search for it with no results so far.

You wouldn't happen to remember all or part of the Title or Author(s)? I might be able to pull it up in a journal database.

In article from Russian military magazine Chinese mines as the possible reason of destruction Cheonan are mentioned. Whether there are data on the Chinese complex mines?
http://www.sinodefenceforum.com/wor...rean-corvette-cheonan-27-4978.html#post121964

“Perhaps, a mine is guilty in destruction of the ship? It was the main and most logical version during first moment. The set of various mines has been laid in this area within war 1950-1953. Mine-laying were rather probable the next years by both sides, including secret mining.
Version of a bottom mine disappears because explosion took place in 30 meters above sea bottom. A anchor mine is improbable because it cannot keep constant depth because of strong currents in this area. Currents achieve 6 knots and change directions.
Theoretically there is an opportunity of application of more complex device - an floating-up mine or a jet-mine or even a mine-torpedo. In the latter case, the torpedo could be in the mine container at sea bottom and to start therefrom after detection of corvette's noise. ASW mine- torpedoes are well-known: American Mk 60 Captor and Russian PMR and PMK. In case of Cheonan, ASuW emerging mines KRM and RM, created in the USSR in 1957-1965, and also their Chinese analogues are most interesting. They could lie down on depths from 40 meters, carried a charge of 200-300 kg and blew up on depth about 10 m during emersion. However, the heavy hydrology should prevent work of complex systems. Besides torpedo container or anchor of emerging mine should remain at the bottom.”

Such underwater mines don't have very long lives in the water. Corrosion will eat away at ferro-metals in the mine, and the water will degrade explosives after a period of time. If you have two different metals in contact with each other in a mine in a salt water environment, you get a small battery that will corrode the metals. If it was a mine, it would have to be a recently laid mine. And evidence of a mine would be present; some method of mooring the mine would be required, otherwise, it is a free floating mine.

Pointblank said:

Such underwater mines don't have very long lives in the water. Corrosion will eat away at ferro-metals in the mine, and the water will degrade explosives after a period of time. If you have two different metals in contact with each other in a mine in a salt water environment, you get a small battery that will corrode the metals. If it was a mine, it would have to be a recently laid mine. And evidence of a mine would be present; some method of mooring the mine would be required, otherwise, it is a free floating mine.

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Mines are specially projected for a long presence in the sea. Questions of electrochemical corrosion are taken into account. Cases of mine’s explosions more than 10 years after WWII are known.
For an example. Modern Russian mine - rocket MshM is designed for use in coastal areas. Depth of sea - 60-300 m, charge - 250 kg. A warranty period of fighting capacity at bottom - 1 year. Mine can secretly be laid from midget submarines.

For a case of Cheonan:
Classical floating mines can support constant depth only. At strong currents the mine will quickly throw out on a bank or coast. Therefore for Cheonan it is incredible.
The mine - UUV is more interesting. Which can slowly move on designated route. Such " clever mine " can lie down for a while on bottom (or " to drop an anchor "). And then to move further …

TorpHistorian said:

Mines are specially projected for a long presence in the sea. Questions of electrochemical corrosion are taken into account. Cases of mine’s explosions more than 10 years after WWII are known.
For an example. Modern Russian mine - rocket MshM is designed for use in coastal areas. Depth of sea - 60-300 m, charge - 250 kg. A warranty period of fighting capacity at bottom - 1 year. Mine can secretly be laid from midget submarines.

For a case of Cheonan:
Classical floating mines can support constant depth only. At strong currents the mine will quickly throw out on a bank or coast. Therefore for Cheonan it is incredible.
The mine - UUV is more interesting. Which can slowly move on designated route. Such " clever mine " can lie down for a while on bottom (or " to drop an anchor "). And then to move further …

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10 years is one thing, but over 50? The article mentions Chinese mines from the Korean war...