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Skywatcher said:

Well, the RMAF seemed to be looking at Typhoons or Rafales, so the J-10C would be closer to that weight class (the JF-17 is already competing with the LCA Tejas and FA-50 for a light fighter RMAF requirement).

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Seems a little redundant to go for a light and medium fighter at once. There is just way too much overlap, if there were looking at a light and heavy combo, then that would make sense.

I suspect the main reason the RMAF was doing that was because the Rafales and Typhoons cost as much, if not more than heavy fighters, so they cannot afford enough of them for their requirements and need a cheap, light fighter to help fill out the numbers.

While the J10C looks very competitive compared to the Eurocanards, a key drawback, at least as far as the Malaysians are concerned, would be its single engine.

Geography means RMAF planes would spend a lot of time over water, so many of the same preferences as naval fighters comes into play, chief of which is having two engines so the plane can still come back on one of the other fails.

While of course pilots can eject, doing so over water carries significant more inherent risk than over land, and in many conditions, ejecting over water can effectively equal a death sentence as SAR is unlikely to get to the pilot in time before the elements claim him/her. But that is more in the cold stormy northern Atlantic, so maybe it’s not such a huge concern for Malaysia.

Also, if the RMAF does choose the JF17 for its light fighter element, it would be a much bigger risk for them to source their high end fighter from China also.

To me, a JF17 and Flanker or F15/F18 combo would seem more likely.

plawolf said:

Seems a little redundant to go for a light and medium fighter at once. There is just way too much overlap, if there were looking at a light and heavy combo, then that would make sense.

I suspect the main reason the RMAF was doing that was because the Rafales and Typhoons cost as much, if not more than heavy fighters, so they cannot afford enough of them for their requirements and need a cheap, light fighter to help fill out the numbers.

While the J10C looks very competitive compared to the Eurocanards, a key drawback, at least as far as the Malaysians are concerned, would be its single engine.

Geography means RMAF planes would spend a lot of time over water, so many of the same preferences as naval fighters comes into play, chief of which is having two engines so the plane can still come back on one of the other fails.

While of course pilots can eject, doing so over water carries significant more inherent risk than over land, and in many conditions, ejecting over water can effectively equal a death sentence as SAR is unlikely to get to the pilot in time before the elements claim him/her. But that is more in the cold stormy northern Atlantic, so maybe it’s not such a huge concern for Malaysia.

Also, if the RMAF does choose the JF17 for its light fighter element, it would be a much bigger risk for them to source their high end fighter from China also.

To me, a JF17 and Flanker or F15/F18 combo would seem more likely.

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The JF17 if purchased would be to replace the Hawk 200, a single seat fighter version of the Hawk trainer which never got traction in the light fighter market as there is only a handful built. Malaysia had a squadron of 18 aircraft but there is only 14 left due to accidents, and they are as old as the Migs. Malaysia does have a squadron of 8, F18’s and Boeing did approach them to upgrade but Mahatir is not a fan of US made aircraft because of the restriction on how they can be used, the sort restriction Pakistan has on the use of their F16’s

LIMA Langkawi, Malaysia via LKJ86
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[China Shipbuilding Heavy Industry participated in the Langkawi Defence Exhibition for the fourth time in a row] On March 26, CSIC re-appeared at the 15th Langkawi International Maritime Air Show (LIMA), which was exhibited through various modes such as model, physical and multimedia. A series of conventional submarines, serialized frigates, serialized patrol boats, multi-purpose unmanned combat boats, underwater weapons, shore defense systems, reconnaissance and defense army equipment, unmanned drones and other products have attracted wide attention.

Interesting they show ET 80 rocket assisted torpedo

The fish -8/Yu-8 or export name is ET-80 could attack conventional submarines and nuclear submarines within 5-30 kilometers. DRDO also working on S.M.A.R.T which will have same principle. The HQ-16 is a third-generation medium-range air defense missile system. In 2016, an upgraded version known as the HQ-16B was unveiled with a greater range of fire at 70 km. The test was conducted in Tibet at 4,500m terrain altitude. Pakistan Ministry of Defence Production has revealed that the armed forces ordered six LY-80(HQ-16A) defence systems from China for $373m between 2014-2015. In 2014, the Pakistan Air Force purchased an initial batch of 3x batteries of LY-80 LOMADS with 8x IBIS-150AD mobile radars. Every firing battery consists of four vertical launchers each armed with a missile pack containing six launchers. S-band 3-D passive phased array radar with a range of 150km. The defence system also consists of multiple L-band tracking and guidance Passive Electronically Scanned Array radars, each having a range of 85km capable of detecting six targets and of tracking four. The missile has a payload capacity of 70kg and is guided by a semi-active radar homing seeker for tracking and guidance. The missile can destroy aircraft and cruise missiles that are flying at an altitude of 15m to 18km. For combat aircraft, the maximum interception range is 40km, and for cruise missiles, the interception range is 3.5km-12km.

All kind of submarine from midget(200T) to full size(2600T) via LKJ86
Chinese submarine industry is maturing with their own indigenous design
But what is the purpose of midget Sub unless it can be carried by mother ship and slip into harbor quietly
Sound like WW II unlikely in modern era with the proliferation of cheap and sophisticated underwater sensor

Hendrik_2000 said:

All kind of submarine from midget(200T) to full size(2600T) via LKJ86
Chinese submarine industry is maturing with their own indigenous design
But what is the purpose of midget Sub unless it can be carried by mother ship and slip into harbor quietly
Sound like WW II unlikely in modern era with the proliferation of cheap and sophisticated underwater sensor

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Many argue that the most effective way to make use of SSKs is to use them as ambushers.

A well designed and built SSK is nigh on impossible to detect passively if it is sitting still in full stealth mode.

When you are using SSKs like that, is there really that much additional benefit you get with a 2600t boat you don’t with a 200t midget?

Don’t think of the midget subs as full replacements for full sized SSKs, as they obviously cannot be, and the likes of the 2.6kt SSK are more SSN challengers.

However, what you can do is add a good number of midget subs for not much money or crew requirements to perform the kind of guard and ambush duties your full sized subs used to have to perform; thereby freeing them to go further out to perform longer ranged defensive or offensive ops.

Chinese shipyard launches Malaysia’s first Littoral Mission Ship on 15 April

Pakistan Naval Chief Admiral Abbasi visited Hudong Zhonghua and Wuhan Shuangliu shipyard and was given a briefing on the 054AE/P and S20 project.

Second 1550t patrol ship for PMSA launched at Karachi shipyard on May 22, 2019.

VT-4 recovery vehicle delivered to the Royal Thai Army.