Chinese military exports to other countries
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Hendrik_2000
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China bag the biggest export order sofar for UAV I billion US $ for 300 UAV a tidy sum to fund even more sophisticated UAV. I can see UAVis replacing conventional plane for CAS or ground pounding
They need to improve the engine efficiency or buy ROTAX company
It is known that the new Chinese armed drone Wing Loong II has already found a foreign buyer before , which took place on February 27 this year. It is also known that this new client of Wing Loong II is none other than Saudi Arabia, which has already procured the previous version, Wing Loong I , since 2014, most of which has already made missions Recognition and striking in Yemen. We also know and especially that the Chinese aircraft group AVIC talks about the biggest contract of drones ever signed in China.
But what we do not know is the amount of the contract and its content.
The rumor circulated for several months on the figure of 300 Chinese drones bought by the Saudi army. A few days ago the "rough" amount of a billion greenback for this contract also surfaced. Assuming that these rumors are all well founded, we can then ask ourselves the question whether the figure of 300 drones relates totally to the Wing Loong II.
The Wing Loong II drone during its inaugural flight on February 27, 2017.
The drone Wing Loong II with its chief engineer (Photos: AVIC)
By simply dividing one billion US dollars by 300, each drone in question costs only $ 3 million, ground equipment and services included, knowing that a Wing Loong I already costs more than a million dollars.
For a drone like the Wing Loong II, this very "friendly" price seems anomally low, even for "Made in China". For another drone of the same size, with a MTOW exceeding 4,000 kg (4,200 for the Wing Loong II and 4,540 for the American MQ-9), its flyaway price (excluding support) amounts to a little more Of $ 22 million for the 361 drones acquired by the US military between 2002 and 2039, to .
And precisely with respect to the quantity ordered, 300 drones in the Wing Loop II / Reaper category for the Saudi Arabian seem to be oversized in relation to their actual needs, although we do not have a precise model to quantify these.
The assumption we are making today is that the contract signed between Saudi Arabia and China includes not one but two types of drones, in addition to ground facilities, ammunition and standard services.
Always going for the 300 aircraft and a flyaway price of 3 million USD for a Wing Loong I and 8 million for a Wing Loong II, we get the figures of 233 UAVs version I and 67 for version II .
This distribution of 1: 3 for the two versions of Wing Loong seems to us much more likely in the case of a gradual and controlled increase of the Saudi air force, in armed drone. Of course, this hypothesis does not take into account any local production of drones, knowing that the Kingdom has already contracted with another Chinese group, the CCAC, for .
We will come back to this in the near future on the production capacity of the AVIC group, in particular Chengdu (CAC) and Guizhou (GAIC), to honor this 300 drones contract over time.
But in the meantime, the "proliferation" of Chinese drones in the Middle East and the rapprochement between Saudi Arabia and China in the military field are already two very interesting subjects to follow.
Henri K.
They need to improve the engine efficiency or buy ROTAX company
It is known that the new Chinese armed drone Wing Loong II has already found a foreign buyer before , which took place on February 27 this year. It is also known that this new client of Wing Loong II is none other than Saudi Arabia, which has already procured the previous version, Wing Loong I , since 2014, most of which has already made missions Recognition and striking in Yemen. We also know and especially that the Chinese aircraft group AVIC talks about the biggest contract of drones ever signed in China.
But what we do not know is the amount of the contract and its content.
The rumor circulated for several months on the figure of 300 Chinese drones bought by the Saudi army. A few days ago the "rough" amount of a billion greenback for this contract also surfaced. Assuming that these rumors are all well founded, we can then ask ourselves the question whether the figure of 300 drones relates totally to the Wing Loong II.
The Wing Loong II drone during its inaugural flight on February 27, 2017.
The drone Wing Loong II with its chief engineer (Photos: AVIC)
By simply dividing one billion US dollars by 300, each drone in question costs only $ 3 million, ground equipment and services included, knowing that a Wing Loong I already costs more than a million dollars.
For a drone like the Wing Loong II, this very "friendly" price seems anomally low, even for "Made in China". For another drone of the same size, with a MTOW exceeding 4,000 kg (4,200 for the Wing Loong II and 4,540 for the American MQ-9), its flyaway price (excluding support) amounts to a little more Of $ 22 million for the 361 drones acquired by the US military between 2002 and 2039, to .
And precisely with respect to the quantity ordered, 300 drones in the Wing Loop II / Reaper category for the Saudi Arabian seem to be oversized in relation to their actual needs, although we do not have a precise model to quantify these.
The assumption we are making today is that the contract signed between Saudi Arabia and China includes not one but two types of drones, in addition to ground facilities, ammunition and standard services.
Always going for the 300 aircraft and a flyaway price of 3 million USD for a Wing Loong I and 8 million for a Wing Loong II, we get the figures of 233 UAVs version I and 67 for version II .
This distribution of 1: 3 for the two versions of Wing Loong seems to us much more likely in the case of a gradual and controlled increase of the Saudi air force, in armed drone. Of course, this hypothesis does not take into account any local production of drones, knowing that the Kingdom has already contracted with another Chinese group, the CCAC, for .
We will come back to this in the near future on the production capacity of the AVIC group, in particular Chengdu (CAC) and Guizhou (GAIC), to honor this 300 drones contract over time.
But in the meantime, the "proliferation" of Chinese drones in the Middle East and the rapprochement between Saudi Arabia and China in the military field are already two very interesting subjects to follow.
Henri K.
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Wait what? Is this real? That's 33.3% off an already very competitive price.
The third sub may not even be a S26T, it could be similiar to the deal the French made with the Malaysians where an Augusta was made available for training while waiting on the Scorpene's to be delivered. Now I don't know how much the Thais are paying for the S26T's but the Malaysians paid a reported whopping USD 2.0 billion for their two Scorpenes, a sum that is, the last I know is being investigated for possible corruption involving the current prime minister Najib Razak and DCNS.The "gifted" submarine is probably be use more of a training vessel is my guest.
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Saudi Arabia to build Chinese UAVs
Jeremy Binnie, London - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly
23 March 2017
Saudi Arabia's King Abdulaziz City for Science and Technology (KACST) announced on 16 March that its president and the chairman of the China Aerospace Science and Technology Corporation (CASC) had signed a partnership agreement covering the manufacture of unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs).
Saudi Arabia already operates the CASC CH-4, seen here at Airshow China 2014. (IHS/Kelvin Wong)
The KACST did not provide further details of the agreement, which was one of several announced during a visit by King Salman bin Abdulaziz al-Saud to China aimed at developing a strategic relationship between the two countries.
Ali Mohammed al-Ghamdi, the CEO of the Taqnia Aeronautics Company, a subsidiary of the Saudi technology development organisation Taqnia, has previously stated on Twitter that an agreement has been signed with China Aerospace Long-March International (ALIT) to manufacture members of the CH family of UAVs in Saudi Arabia. He said the Saudi-made UAVs would be for both military and civilian purposes and would be marketed to other countries in the region.
ALIT promotes CASC products, including the CH series of UAVs, to foreign customers.
Saudi Arabia confirmed during the induction ceremony for the Royal Saudi Air Force's (RSAF) new F-15SA multirole fighters in February that it already has Chinese UAVs in service.
A photograph emerged from the event showing what appeared to be a more sophisticated version of the CASC CH-4 medium-altitude long-endurance UAV than the one previously displayed by the Iraqi military. It had a bulge on top of its nose that could accommodate a satellite communications antenna and was displayed with what appeared to be AR-1 laser-guided missiles and FT-9 guided bombs, which are both CASC products that are also used with Iraq's CH-4s.
CASC unveiled the larger CH-5 during Airshow China in November 2016. The company's promotional information states that it has a maximum take-off weight of 2,600 kg with a 900 kg payload, and an endurance of 30 hours when not carrying weapons.
Another analysis:
It is not clear if the two agreements are related, but Taqnia and KACST have collaborated on scientific and technological projects for Saudi use. This extending to CH-series drones is plausible.
Considering CASC and ALIT produce and market the CH-series, respectively, it is unclear if the sale large UAV sale by Chinese media in February involves the Wing Loong II, as observers had . The ‘largest order’ appears to have gone to CASC (from Saudi Arabia).
While both are Chinese, CASC and CAIG are competitors in the armed UAV space.
The CASC CH-4B and CAIG Wing Loong II have similar specifications, especially in terms of payload and endurance (Wing Loong II: 400 kg and 32 hours vs. CH-4B: 345 kg and 40 hours). Both UAV platforms can deploy China’s range of air-to-surface munitions, such as the AR-1 laser-guided missile.
Saudi Arabia is a CH-4B operator and Wing Loong user. While one cannot dismiss the possibility of acquiring both the CH-4B and Wing Loong II in large numbers, the licensed manufacturing aspect of the CASC/ALIT deal indicates that most of these drones will be of the CH-series.
Jeremy Binnie, London - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly
23 March 2017
Saudi Arabia's King Abdulaziz City for Science and Technology (KACST) announced on 16 March that its president and the chairman of the China Aerospace Science and Technology Corporation (CASC) had signed a partnership agreement covering the manufacture of unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs).
Saudi Arabia already operates the CASC CH-4, seen here at Airshow China 2014. (IHS/Kelvin Wong)
The KACST did not provide further details of the agreement, which was one of several announced during a visit by King Salman bin Abdulaziz al-Saud to China aimed at developing a strategic relationship between the two countries.
Ali Mohammed al-Ghamdi, the CEO of the Taqnia Aeronautics Company, a subsidiary of the Saudi technology development organisation Taqnia, has previously stated on Twitter that an agreement has been signed with China Aerospace Long-March International (ALIT) to manufacture members of the CH family of UAVs in Saudi Arabia. He said the Saudi-made UAVs would be for both military and civilian purposes and would be marketed to other countries in the region.
ALIT promotes CASC products, including the CH series of UAVs, to foreign customers.
Saudi Arabia confirmed during the induction ceremony for the Royal Saudi Air Force's (RSAF) new F-15SA multirole fighters in February that it already has Chinese UAVs in service.
A photograph emerged from the event showing what appeared to be a more sophisticated version of the CASC CH-4 medium-altitude long-endurance UAV than the one previously displayed by the Iraqi military. It had a bulge on top of its nose that could accommodate a satellite communications antenna and was displayed with what appeared to be AR-1 laser-guided missiles and FT-9 guided bombs, which are both CASC products that are also used with Iraq's CH-4s.
CASC unveiled the larger CH-5 during Airshow China in November 2016. The company's promotional information states that it has a maximum take-off weight of 2,600 kg with a 900 kg payload, and an endurance of 30 hours when not carrying weapons.
Another analysis:
It is not clear if the two agreements are related, but Taqnia and KACST have collaborated on scientific and technological projects for Saudi use. This extending to CH-series drones is plausible.
Considering CASC and ALIT produce and market the CH-series, respectively, it is unclear if the sale large UAV sale by Chinese media in February involves the Wing Loong II, as observers had . The ‘largest order’ appears to have gone to CASC (from Saudi Arabia).
While both are Chinese, CASC and CAIG are competitors in the armed UAV space.
The CASC CH-4B and CAIG Wing Loong II have similar specifications, especially in terms of payload and endurance (Wing Loong II: 400 kg and 32 hours vs. CH-4B: 345 kg and 40 hours). Both UAV platforms can deploy China’s range of air-to-surface munitions, such as the AR-1 laser-guided missile.
Saudi Arabia is a CH-4B operator and Wing Loong user. While one cannot dismiss the possibility of acquiring both the CH-4B and Wing Loong II in large numbers, the licensed manufacturing aspect of the CASC/ALIT deal indicates that most of these drones will be of the CH-series.