Chinese Military Exports (Land Systems)

Hitomi

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The first tank was ~200 rounds in 4 days, so basically 50 rounds per day which isn't exactly very high tempo (I remember in an episode of Chuahuahui on the VT-4 matter they mentioned Russo-Ukrainian war, Russian tanks fired 60-70 rounds per tank per day in 2022), it leaves ample time for them to do whatever field maintenance is required, considering they weren't really maneuvering either. I doubt they were pumping out rounds at max RPM either, I mean it takes like max 15-20 minute to fire 50 rounds at max RPM including the time required for one full reload of the autoloader, so they either just sat in their position doing nothing for the rest of the day which I feel like is unlikely or they pumped out few short burst of rounds every now and then which is far more likely.
i doubt you would do field maintenance on the battlefield considering the threat of drones and infantry ambush in the terrain at the Thai-Cambodia border, not to mention, the climate of Ukraine is much cooler than the hot and humid jungles. The stress of the high intensity firing from earlier days and the sudden need for burst fire at the moment of the incident could also blow the barrel.
 

doggydogdo

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I mean two barrels blew up in a low intensity conflict in like 1.5 weeks is terrible... Not to mention iirc this is the first time VT-4 has seen a real battlefield against a actual army. I'm sure there are flukes but two in a short amount of time..?
We don't know how the Thais are maintaining their tanks. If they aren't doing it well obviously accidents might happen more frequently.
The first tank was ~200 rounds in 4 days, so basically 50 rounds per day which isn't exactly very high tempo (I remember in an episode of Chuahuahui on the VT-4 matter they mentioned Russo-Ukrainian war, Russian tanks fired 60-70 rounds per tank per day in 2022), it leaves ample time for them to do whatever field maintenance is required, considering they weren't really maneuvering either. I doubt they were pumping out rounds at max RPM either, I mean it takes like max 15-20 minute to fire 50 rounds at max RPM including the time required for one full reload of the autoloader, so they either just sat in their position doing nothing for the rest of the day which I feel like is unlikely or they pumped out few short burst of rounds every now and then which is far more likely.
An Indian T-90's barrel exploded and killed its crew, accidents happen.
 

Brainsuker

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We don't know how the Thais are maintaining their tanks. If they aren't doing it well obviously accidents might happen more frequently.

An Indian T-90's barrel exploded and killed its crew, accidents happen.
Then to be fair we have to see the western built tanks that operated by Thailand. Are they suffer the same fate as VT-4? If no then how can western tanks stay intact in bad maintaining situation?
 
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LKK815

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Are the VT4s used more extensively than the m48s or stingrays currently used by the thai? I didn't hear about any incidents regarding the former too.

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sutton999

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Cambodia and Thailand to China is like Greece and Turkey to USA. Neither are closer to China although I'd argue that Thailand is more important to China, it is certainly more capable a nation than Cambodia in the modern age. China has far more trade with Thailand and has sold more weapons by volume, mass and value to Thailand.

Thailand operates Chinese artillery, tanks, submarines and various munitions. Cambodia operates Chinese small arms and artillery.
Wait a minute, Cambodia is not an ally, Hun Sen plays both sides to say the least.
 

Hitomi

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Are the VT4s used more extensively than the m48s or stingrays currently used by the thai? I didn't hear about any incidents regarding the former too.

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Are they even used anymore? Did not see any footage with them either.

They might be held in reserve because the 105mm isn't as good for fire support missions though any gun is better than no gun.
 

lgnxz

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Also, western tank cannons do not seem to have a RPM limit
lol. I got nothing else to say other than that you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

I mean two barrels blew up in a low intensity conflict in like 1.5 weeks is terrible
As opposed to the abrams.. during training.. and what high intensity conflict exactly?
 
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ztqfan1999

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Are the VT4s used more extensively than the m48s or stingrays currently used by the thai? I didn't hear about any incidents regarding the former too.

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Yes, because they're stationed the closest to the border where the past and current conflicts were most intense.
 

plawolf

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It takes a while to fully load the autoloader, you can search up a video to see how long it takes. Also, western tank cannons do not seem to have a RPM limit so I don't see why Chinese tanks should.

There doesn’t need to be a RPM limit because the ammo carriage of the tank itself is the hard cap.

The gun barrel design was spec’d to allow you to shoot your whole magazine load at max fire rate and be fine.

What it was not designed for was for you to mag dump your full ammo load, top up the autoloader as quickly as you can and mag dump again and rinse and repeat.

If you want to use the tanks for fire spam like that, then you need to change out the barrels at the manufacturer recommended intervals. Just like how machine gunners are trained to change out the barrels of their machine guns after a certain number of belts of sustained fire.
 
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