Chinese MALE, HALE (and rotary, small, suicide) UAV/UCAV thread

[dingyibvs]

So your opponent instead chooses to use the suicide fpv uav method and just crash a drone into your expensive shotgun drone. A drone carrying a shotgun and associated ammo is really not all that agile. You can't get something that carry a gun and fire it accurately cheaper than the $500 or so it cost for a suicide fpv uav. You can probably fit upwards of 10-15 such drones in a standard backpack and hundreds in a small van, there really is no situation where this is viable or cost effective.

If you're going to use some non-existent shotgun drone why not just invest in laser shorad which is a much more proven technology?

Or it can just shoot down the suicide drone. Range vs melee. Range has already won on the ground, I don't see why it wouldn't in the air. You can pack even more grains of rice in a backpack, that doesn't make it a viable option to bring to a battlefield.

 

[tankphobia]

Or it can just shoot down the suicide drone. Range vs melee. Range has already won on the ground, I don't see why it wouldn't in the air. You can pack even more grains of rice in a backpack, that doesn't make it a viable option to bring to a battlefield.

We have literally seen t-90m with stabilised, remote firing machine gun powerless against a fpv, getting hit and abandoned before destroyed by thermite grenade dropped from another drone. If your solution to the above is moving the gun into the air then I don't think this conversation is going to go anywhere.

You are more likely to shoot your own troops with the Shotgun shell then hit a fpv zipping around at upwards of 100km/h.

The solution to battlefield UAV usage is always going to be simple but expensive, it will always be more shorad and more EW, there is no wunderwaffe here.

 

[dingyibvs]

We have literally seen t-90m with stabilised, remote firing machine gun powerless against a fpv, getting hit and abandoned before destroyed by thermite grenade dropped from another drone. If your solution to the above is moving the gun into the air then I don't think this conversation is going to go anywhere.

You are more likely to shoot your own troops with the Shotgun shell then hit a fpv zipping around at upwards of 100km/h.

The solution to battlefield UAV usage is always going to be simple but expensive, it will always be more shorad and more EW, there is no wunderwaffe here.

Are those RWS's designed to detect and shoot at drones? We're talking about Mavic-like drones or Lancet-like drones? You think it's easier for a drone to hit another drone than for a shotgun firing buckshots to hit it? Also, it's not an either-or situation. SHORADs and EW will certainly play a role as well. SHORADs are expensive per kill, and EW requires a level of power supply which may not always be available to infantry.

 

[AndrewS]

Suicide fpvs are a magnitude cheaper to produce than one able to shoot a moving target with a Shotgun while retaining any sort of accuracy.

I don't see a suicide FPV being 10x less expensive than one armed with a pellet gun.

You would need a somewhat larger drone, but with a pellet gun and automated instructions to avoid a last second collision.

 

[xlitter]

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[tankphobia]

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I was trying to find that video to prove my point, thanks for that. This is what any counter measure is up against, if you think a shogun on a drone can hit something even moving at half the speed of those FPV drones zipping around I got a bridge to sell you.

I don't see a suicide FPV being 10x less expensive than one armed with a pellet gun.

You would need a somewhat larger drone, but with a pellet gun and automated instructions to avoid a last second collision.

A FPV drone is $500. A drone with a gun, sensor, stabilization, tracking and oomph to carry all that load will be easily 10x the cost, in fact I can fairly confidently say that it will be the floor cost, a DJI Matrice 30 which theoretically has the payload capacity without any of the actual required hardware is $8k, despite its price tag it's camera and gimbal is certainly incapable of tracking a FPV drone.

This is a drone with a net gun against slow flying drones, for reference that even a small amount of unpredictability greatly hinders operation.

 

[Clark Gap]

I was trying to find that video to prove my point, thanks for that. This is what any counter measure is up against, if you think a shogun on a drone can hit something even moving at half the speed of those FPV drones zipping around I got a bridge to sell you.


A FPV drone is $500. A drone with a gun, sensor, stabilization, tracking and oomph to carry all that load will be easily 10x the cost, in fact I can fairly confidently say that it will be the floor cost, a DJI Matrice 30 which theoretically has the payload capacity without any of the actual required hardware is $8k, despite its price tag it's camera and gimbal is certainly incapable of tracking a FPV drone.

This is a drone with a net gun against slow flying drones, for reference that even a small amount of unpredictability greatly hinders operation.

I partly agree with your opinion. But the cost of DJI Matrice 30 mainly depend on the optical system. The platform is not so expensive.

 

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[dingyibvs]

I was trying to find that video to prove my point, thanks for that. This is what any counter measure is up against, if you think a shogun on a drone can hit something even moving at half the speed of those FPV drones zipping around I got a bridge to sell you.


A FPV drone is $500. A drone with a gun, sensor, stabilization, tracking and oomph to carry all that load will be easily 10x the cost, in fact I can fairly confidently say that it will be the floor cost, a DJI Matrice 30 which theoretically has the payload capacity without any of the actual required hardware is $8k, despite its price tag it's camera and gimbal is certainly incapable of tracking a FPV drone.

This is a drone with a net gun against slow flying drones, for reference that even a small amount of unpredictability greatly hinders operation.

I don't see why it'd be harder for a pellet gun to hit a drone than for a drone to hit a drone. You also don't need a full sized gun.

 

[by78]

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