chinese laser weapon development

These systems are clearly a threat to China's Ballistic Missiles. This is what i have feared-a string of US military bases surrounding China with laser defense sytems that would drastically weaken China's military capabilities. This points to a bleak future in which China would have no choice but to increase the defence budget to build more MRBMs and IRBMs to overcome these laser systems. I propose up to 300 ASBMs, 500 land attack MRBMs and IRBMs as well as up to 6000 LACMs to counter these laser defense systems. If Germany has the sub specialty in WW2 and USA combat aircraft tech(F-22) advantage, China should aim to have the world' largest arsenal of MRBMs and SAMs. Also, to fight fire with fire, China should also develop and deploy laser weapons sytems armed on its future stealth fighter and stealth bomber fleet, to allow PLAAF to attack ground targets with lasers at a range of 60-100kms away. As China's economy grows, by 2020 China will develop all these weapons without too much stress on the economy.

Gallaghan36 said:

These systems are clearly a threat to China's Ballistic Missiles. This is what i have feared-a string of US military bases surrounding China with laser defense sytems that would drastically weaken China's military capabilities. This points to a bleak future in which China would have no choice but to increase the defence budget to build more MRBMs and IRBMs to overcome these laser systems. I propose up to 300 ASBMs, 500 land attack MRBMs and IRBMs as well as up to 6000 LACMs to counter these laser defense systems. If Germany has the sub specialty in WW2 and USA combat aircraft tech(F-22) advantage, China should aim to have the world' largest arsenal of MRBMs and SAMs. Also, to fight fire with fire, China should also develop and deploy laser weapons sytems armed on its future stealth fighter and stealth bomber fleet, to allow PLAAF to attack ground targets with lasers at a range of 60-100kms away. As China's economy grows, by 2020 China will develop all these weapons without too much stress on the economy.

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And that will most probably bankrupt China... plus like I have said before in another thread... where do you get all your figures? Base on what? Or just plucking out of thin air.

China's doctrine is not anything like you have imagine or thoughts. China should first focus on her economic and her people. Weapons wise, she is good enough for now.

It is not as if, when US design and develope something, China must go and develope the same equipment or counter equipments. This is a path that will eventually lead to bankrupcy like what happen to the Soviets.

And also, US's economy is not infallable and she didn't have that seemingly unquenchable $$$. She can have hundreds of projects going... but how many would go to fruition and how many are actually that useful? We are only seeing lots of future weapons technology that sounds good in spec and television. But as engineers and professionals, we require more infor and data, not just read and watch spec sheets and television programs than come out with ridiculous proposals, that will most likely force a country into poverty, just to defend against a system that might not even work.

rhino123 said:

And that will most probably bankrupt China... plus like I have said before in another thread... where do you get all your figures? Base on what? Or just plucking out of thin air.

China's doctrine is not anything like you have imagine or thoughts. China should first focus on her economic and her people. Weapons wise, she is good enough for now.

It is not as if, when US design and develope something, China must go and develope the same equipment or counter equipments. This is a path that will eventually lead to bankrupcy like what happen to the Soviets.

And also, US's economy is not infallable and she didn't have that seemingly unquenchable $$$. She can have hundreds of projects going... but how many would go to fruition and how many are actually that useful? We are only seeing lots of future weapons technology that sounds good in spec and television. But as engineers and professionals, we require more infor and data, not just read and watch spec sheets and television programs than come out with ridiculous proposals, that will most likely force a country into poverty, just to defend against a system that might not even work.

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Do not underestimate US military technology. If their laser weapons mature enough, it could make any capability that China has obsolete-further risking the possibility of US domination and a bleak unipolar world STILL dominated by the USA. To promote a multipolar world, it is imperative that China matches US military technology, since unlike Soviet, they have the capability to compete. The Soviets go bankrupt in military buildup because they do not have an open economy-China has.:china: The future of the world will be all in USA hands, unless China does something about it and save the world and its citizens from ultimate domination of space and planetary space by the domineering hands of the US military.

China should plan 30-50 years ahead. That is way, Star Trek weapons should always have some allocation for R&D in Chinese strategic investment. Already, the USA is talking about developing 6th gen fighters with extreme stealth, space flight and directed energy weapons. That is NOW. 20 years later, USA might be developing starships and that causes the entire world to be lightyears behind USA. It might happen since USA's technology seems so ahead of others that no one knows what's inside their darkest secret files. US military is definitely a dangerous entity that will dominate at will if not checked. China should do the job. Not by war but by weapons development.

Gallaghan36 said:

Do not underestimate US military technology. If their laser weapons mature enough, it could make any capability that China has obsolete-further risking the possibility of US domination and a bleak unipolar world STILL dominated by the USA. To promote a multipolar world, it is imperative that China matches US military technology, since unlike Soviet, they have the capability to compete. The Soviets go bankrupt in military buildup because they do not have an open economy-China has.:china:

China should plan 30-50 years ahead. That is way, Star Trek weapons should always have some allocation for R&D in Chinese strategic investment. Already, the USA is talking about developing 6th gen fighters with extreme stealth, space flight and directed energy weapons. China should do the same.

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I am not underestimating US capability, and I have been the one who was always breaching on not to underestimate the US. But what I am saying is... don't overestimate China's capability and economic.

Of course China should plan ahead. But does she has the capability to implement those things? If she had the capability, why wouldn't she field hundreds of strategic bombers and thousands of missiles and develope and field hundreds or thousands of cruise missiles that could hit US.

We all wish that to happen, but it is not happening, mainly because China is not a country that has 100% militarization. She also had normal citizens and other domestic and international problems that also require money.

It is not always as easy as you have stated... proposing thousands of missiles (ballistics and LCAM.)

Plus as good and capable as US is... she didn't have an economy that is as invincible as we all thought, the last economic crisis had almost throw US down. So as you can see, she does not have limitless budget.

So why go into a race that would most likely destroy you first...

And as many of us are professional, engineers and even acadamics, we will look at more information and datas before making proposals and not just base on some television programs, internet hearsay, spec sheets, etc.

rhino123 said:

I am not underestimating US capability, and I have been the one who was always breaching on not to underestimate the US. But what I am saying is... don't overestimate China's capability and economic.

Of course China should plan ahead. But does she has the capability to implement those things? If she had the capability, why wouldn't she field hundreds of strategic bombers and thousands of missiles and develope and field hundreds or thousands of cruise missiles that could hit US.

We all wish that to happen, but it is not happening, mainly because China is not a country that has 100% militarization. She also had normal citizens and other domestic and international problems that also require money.

It is not always as easy as you have stated... proposing thousands of missiles (ballistics and LCAM.)

Plus as good and capable as US is... she didn't have an economy that is as invincible as we all thought, the last economic crisis had almost throw US down. So as you can see, she does not have limitless budget.

So why go into a race that would most likely destroy you first...

And as many of us are professional, engineers and even acadamics, we will look at more information and datas before making proposals and not just base on some television programs, internet hearsay, spec sheets, etc.

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Well a small investment of 20-30 billion USD per year for Chna's future weapons development would suffice, which is so tiny in proportion to China's 4.6 trillion USD economy. I'm certain that there are many smart and intelligent engineers and scientists in China willing to devote their lifetime to developing hight-tech weapons. Such people would be highly dedicated to R&D, that they will be China's "ray of hope" in competing with USA.:china: The proposals that i'm suggesting are intended to make the Chinese scientific community take notice, so that they will say"Hmm, this idea seems nice on paper....Let's go and research now!"

Gallaghan36 said:

Well a small investment of 20-30 billion USD per year for Chna's future weapons development would suffice, which is so tiny in proportion to China's 4.6 trillion USD economy. I'm certain that there are many smart and intelligent engineers and scientists in China willing to devote their lifetime to developing hight-tech weapons. Such people would be highly dedicated to R&D, that they will be China's "ray of hope" in competing with USA.:china:

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In case you are not aware, China has her own team of scientist and engineers that are developing new and high tech weaponries and defence system. What I am saying is that you do not need or field thousands of ballistic missiles and cruise missiles.

To do R&D is one thing, to actually field them in massive numbers is another thing - ever heard of maintanence cost? Logistic cost? operational cost?

Plus I say we need more information and data and also to see real evidence before anything would be done... not just by watching some future weapon tv program and immediately jump into conclusion that that is the way we should go about pouring billions of dollars into.

What if... whatever shown is nothing but some decoy to the real intention of some countries? They are actually developing other products or equipments?

Have you consider all these?

Gallaghan36 said:

I'm certain that there are many smart and intelligent engineers and scientists in China willing to devote their lifetime to developing hight-tech weapons.

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If this is a feeble attempt to be sarcastic to my previous remark, then you are missing the entire point. I say that we as professional and engineers or even acadamic would need more data and information as to the validity of the so-call starwars weaponries first before jumping into conclusion like some kids who had just watch a tv program on future weaponries or read some hearsay by so and so about US having incredible weapons that could be the answer to all threats.

And only by basing on true and solid datas would we go into proposition and stuff like that.

Oh... and we don't come out with figures that was pluck from thin air... something along the line of a couple of thousands of ballistic missiles, thousands of LCAM and so on and so for... we would come out with things like, with X number of missiles, we could effectively neutralise enemy's air assets, or land assets due to the fact of... (come out with some reasons). And how we derive with these figures and results? Easy... we base on reliable sources and even reacting scenarios, digitally or on field.

rhino123 said:

In case you are not aware, China has her own team of scientist and engineers that are developing new and high tech weaponries and defence system. What I am saying is that you do not need or field thousands of ballistic missiles and cruise missiles.

To do R&D is one thing, to actually field them in massive numbers is another thing - ever heard of maintanence cost? Logistic cost? operational cost?

Plus I say we need more information and data and also to see real evidence before anything would be done... not just by watching some future weapon tv program and immediately jump into conclusion that that is the way we should go about pouring billions of dollars into.

What if... whatever shown is nothing but some decoy to the real intention of some countries? They are actually developing other products or equipments?

Have you consider all these?

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Yes, so weapons production should be kept in moderation and stored in underground shelters. Anyway, we should go back on topic and discuss strictly about Chinese laser weapon development. Now that it ic clear that China has liquid laser weapons, how about solid lasers?

Gallaghan36 said:

Yes, so weapons production should be kept in moderation and stored in underground shelters. Anyway, we should go back on topic and discuss strictly about Chinese laser weapon development. Now that it ic clear that China has liquid laser weapons, how about solid lasers?

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Read this,


(this is not a full copy, only an astract, unless you are a member, but it speaks volume.)

So there, China too have solid state lasers development.

USAF has ABL project and soon may fit F-35 and F-22 with solid-state lasers. Should China do the same?

Gallaghan36 said:

USAF has ABL project and soon may fit F-35 and F-22 with solid-state lasers. Should China do the same?

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Sources? So far only heard that they are doing it on boeing aircraft (large aircraft).

Plus that would also depend on the status of development of China.