Chinese infantry fighting vehicles

by78

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Looks like a new chassis too, not just the turret and cannon. Interestingly it doesn't seem to have amphibious capability, unlike previous
Chinese IFVs. Also, still using HJ-73?

I believe that chassis is for testing purposes only. The new cannon and its telescoped ammo are the focus here. Once their development is finished, and if the PLA decides to procure them, the cannon will be mounted on an in-service chassis, which most likely will be ZBL-08.
 

by78

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The new Mengshi vehicles have been issued to the Macau garrison.

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The Observer

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I believe that chassis is for testing purposes only. The new cannon and its telescoped ammo are the focus here. Once their development is finished, and if the PLA decides to procure them, the cannon will be mounted on an in-service chassis, which most likely will be ZBL-08.

On that note, what do you think about ZBL-08's future now that a potential replacement has appeared? Will it stay in service alongside the new replacement like WZ-551 or get phased out sooner?

By potential replacement I mean the recent uparmored 8x8 prototypes with rear ramp.
 

by78

General
On that note, what do you think about ZBL-08's future now that a potential replacement has appeared?

By potential replacement I mean the recent uparmored 8x8 prototypes with rear ramp.

The recently photographed new 8x8 are likely a further evolution of the ZBL-08. They added thicker applique plates to increase protection. It's not known what other modifications have been made to the chassis, such as the powerpack or suspension. But they appear to be based on the ZBL-08.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

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The turret is remote controlled?
I think there would soon be a new generation of IFV for the PLA on the way, it has being precedents for export vehicles to lay the foundation of new generation of service IFVs.
According to an old
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from the Year of Our Lord, Two thousand and Sixteen. The turret is unmanned. That was at the China Airshow 16 mounted on the VP10 platform.
IFV, technically yes...but at the same time. Well the turret perhaps will be fielded wider the vehicle falls into a rather new doctrinal shift taking place.
Right now the trends seem to be that you have armored forces with MBT and IFV, tracked ACPs, MRAPS class Utility vehicles. That’s your heavy.
then you have Mechanized Infantry with 8x8s including vehicles like this With IFV class turrets MRAPS class utility vehicles That’s medium. (See Stryker BTC and Strike Brigades (Boxer)
Finally light infantry with thin skinned vehicles dropped by aircraft with light armor assets to augment them. Airborne.

These 8x8s don’t quite match up to true IFVs, they skimp on kinetic armor and the additional firepower of ATGMs to favor mobility.
This though allows them to move very fast carry the boots more comfortably. The latter may sound odd but troops whom are less stressed can travel longer and fight better at the other end of the trip. The added firepower can be used to support them like a tank or IFV in a heavy brigade. That also means they can be strategically transported faster as they tend to be lighter, although the latest ones at 35 tones loose this to a degree, not being attached to MBT units does still allow air transport at a faster rate.
You can say “Buts that’s the West”. Yet given how we have seen these 8x8s and the conservative nature of the PLA it seems to fit. Consider that although we have seen these 8x8s in large numbers we also have seen a plethora of upgraded and new tracked IFVs, Yes some are amphibious yet others have traded off of that Amphibious capacity for armor.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
On that note, what do you think about ZBL-08's future now that a potential replacement has appeared? Will it stay in service alongside the new replacement like WZ-551 or get phased out sooner?

By potential replacement I mean the recent uparmored 8x8 prototypes with rear ramp.
The recently photographed new 8x8 are likely a further evolution of the ZBL-08. They added thicker applique plates to increase protection. It's not known what other modifications have been made to the chassis, such as the powerpack or suspension. But they appear to be based on the ZBL-08.
My bet is an improved model. That will incrementally replace or rebuild existing vehicles to the newer standard once they feel ready.
 

jimmyjames30x30

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My bet is an improved model. That will incrementally replace or rebuild existing vehicles to the newer standard once they feel ready.
I think these newer vehicles will first replace older 6x6 ZSL-92 class of vehicles in service. And those ZSL-92 will get transfer to 2-line troops.
 

jimmyjames30x30

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The new Mengshi vehicles have been issued to the Macau garrison.

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I have always hoped that the HK Garrison would be upgraded with the newest improved 8x8 platform (105mm gun, 30mm auto cannon, and 120mm mortar-howitzer, etc) , replacing the 6x6 ZSL-92 class. And the Mengshi 1 to be replaced with Mengshi 3. And the Z-8, and Z-9 replaced with Z-19, Z-8L widebody, Z-11WB, and Z-20.
 

Lnk111229

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I have always hoped that the HK Garrison would be upgraded with the newest improved 8x8 platform (105mm gun, 30mm auto cannon, and 120mm mortar-howitzer, etc) , replacing the 6x6 ZSL-92 class. And the Mengshi 1 to be replaced with Mengshi 3. And the Z-8, and Z-9 replaced with Z-19, Z-8L widebody, Z-11WB, and Z-20.
Lol, 105mm gun, 30mm auto cannon. What kind of enemy PLA from HK garrison fight? Alien cockroach with body of the Rock Johnson! Nope, just bunch of low life small brain coward cockroach get herd by some fatty old white trash. They just need some normal machine gun and that enough to keep cockroach in check.
 

jimmyjames30x30

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Lol, 105mm gun, 30mm auto cannon. What kind of enemy PLA from HK garrison fight? Alien cockroach with body of the Rock Johnson! Nope, just bunch of low life small brain coward cockroach get herd by some fatty old white trash. They just need some normal machine gun and that enough to keep cockroach in check.
Well, didn't the HK rioter thugs say that the US Marines will be coming to fight PLA in HK? They might be delusional, but it doesn't hurt China to take their words seriously. ;):cool:

Besides, more fancy looking advanced weapons will do a much better jobs at impressing those gullible HKers. Put a 7.62mm gatling gun on a Z-20, and let it do a demonstration show on the annual PLA HK garrison exhibition day (驻港部队开放日), I am pretty sure those thugs will shit their pants. Or else put a 12.7 gatling gun on a Mengshi 3, and demonstrate them on a show on that day, and trust me, it will work wonders to instill fear among those thugs.

Besides, it will also be a great advertisement for weapon export. Having these Chinese-made weapons in service with an actual PLA force that has the most international publicity and openness to the world, would provide a great appeal for these weapons.
 
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