Chinese infantry fighting vehicles

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Detail photos of the "Reverse 59" Heavy IFV
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Any specs on this? Or photos or videos of it in action?
VN11
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crew 3+6 troops
30mm auto cannon + 2 ATGM and probably a 7.62mm coax
Like the VN17 The VN11 turns the tank around so the power pack and chassis which were originally in the rear are now in the front. Power pack could be the old Tank engine but I would bet the Chinese atleast tried to leverage the power pack from the VN17 in there. I mean this is probably a 35 ton vehicle so about the same weight.
It seems to be like the Chinese are trying to offer a tiered strategy of IFV offerings here. The lower End is the VN11, since it's based on the Type 59 tank the chinese can sell those off by pulling them from reserves rebuilding them into IFV's and delivering to any buyer. additionally if they use the old engine a 3rd world army with Type 59's or T54/55 tanks will have familiarity with the hull and some of the systems maybe even have the end user have part of their existing fleet converted.

VN12 is the next tier. new vehicles but lower end lighter weight and non amphibious. good for a government is better shape then the VN11 buyer. Maybe they have some T72 variants to partner with it.

Presumably here of course the Amphibious IFV based off the VN16 hull for the nation that wants a Marine corps.

VN17 is the high end developing country who can spend some money and might be buying some new VT5 tanks to go with there new IFV's. perhaps even a few VT4's to.
 

ahho

Junior Member
First define amphibious, If you mean can it be floated in a certain straight between the mainland and a Certain island between the South China sea, East China sea, Philippines sea. then no.
If however you want to cross a shallow body of water like a lake ( not Lake Titicaca or the Great lakes.) or shallow river then fine.
If we look at this vehicle what we see is a proper medium IFV. now note the sprocket on the front of the chassis now there are some tanks with Sprockets on the front but if we compare to the VT5 which this Chassis is supposed to be from... VT5 has it's Sprocket in the rear.
View attachment 42618 What this means is the Chassis is on backwards. Not a bad Idea.
now Why do that? There have been other vehicles that took lighter often older Tank Chassis and converted them into IFV and APC's in the past The Israeli T55 based Achzarit or the WW2 Kangaroo APC's for example. The biggest issue is that almost every tank is mid engined with the power pack of the tank in the rear and the Armored Glasius in the front. that is perfectly fine for a tank which is armor to the front against the enemy
the problem is when you start trying to add infantry to the vehicle the aim of the vehicle changes. for a Tank light medium, heavy or Main Battle the key mission is to bring that gun to the enemy. to keep that gun in the fight and the crew is there to keep that gun in the fight. It's the Child of Cavalry and Artillery.
For and APC or IFV the most important key mission of the vehicle is Infantry. It is a shield for Infantry it is a mobile pillbox for infantry. So where the Tank needs to get the gun to the fight and keep it in the fight the APC needs to protect the Infantry and the IFV needs to protect, transport and support the Infantry.
To do that you want to shield the infantry. now there have been some attempt at using the turret space for infantry space and the like but
you sheild the infantry with the vehicle. If you want to shield the Infantry you place infantry compartment in the rear of the vehicle. So if you look at purpose built IFV's and APC's they have the engine to the front either to a side like the bradley or just filling the front space like the Merkava Namer. In this case I think the Chinese are closer to the latter.
Because of this they have to make changes to the Transmission to basically reverse the system so the enge pours more power to the "new front" They also need to change the armor around the engine compartment to make room for the driver hole and added protection. with this done they can now use what was the armored prow of the tank to build the crew compartment.
Now this track has a 30 ton weight a 3+7 crew and a auto cannon so It's an IFV
because of it's Common chassis with the light Tank it would probably do well in the highlands and Deserts of the Gobi. however it's an Export number VT17. In terms of Firepower a Close match the the VT12 but I think this would be a higher end export model.In terms of weapons it's about par for the course a 30mm cannon likely a 7.62 coax and 2 ATGM. so a bit more Duka then the Bradley's 25mm but less then the CV90's 35 and new 40mm coming on new French and British AFV's
it has a heavier weight and a 1000 hp engine and probably more room to evolve. Compared to other offerings on the market. That power pack is a killer. as it gives a HP advantage compared to the Bradley A3, Kurganets-25, K-21 NIFV, CV90, even the German Puma, but not the Lynx And it's not a HIFV like the Namer or T15 so it will have a better power to weight Armor potential is pretty good for a 30 ton probably can go up by 10 tons with add on protection not HIFV class but better than the standard PLA IFV or most in it's class. especially if they add a APS.
In terms of Specs I think this could compare with the German Lynx.

Good info. I was a bit surprise to see this IFV since most of the PLA IFV are able to do river crossing without additional gear. I completely forgot about export market and also and other points that you have mentioned
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
The PLA I think views itself as needing to be more Amphibious to so there IFV's and armor tend to a lighter weight. The Export market though lacks that absolute need.
Especially in Africa and the middle east. The Saudis, Egyptians, Qatar or Kuwait Armies come to mind as possible interested parties.
 

Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
Here is the article from Jane
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China testing new 6×6 amphibious armoured vehicles
Mark Cazalet - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly
01 November 2017
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Images have emerged suggesting that China is testing new 6×6 amphibious armoured vehicles. The two vehicles are very similar, but one of the apparent differences is that one of them (seen here) is shorter. Source: Via Army.81.cn
Images have emerged on online forums suggesting that China is testing new 6×6 amphibious armoured vehicles.

The photographs appear to show two very similar, but subtly different vehicles. The first vehicle seems to follow a fairly conventional 6×6 layout, with driver and commander at the front and primary access for dismounts via a hydraulic ramp to the rear.

The vehicle turret appears to be remote, thus allowing more space for dismounts in a smaller hull. The turret is equipped with a small electro-optic mast atop the turret, and a bank of grenade launchers mounted on either side of the primary armament, the latter of which appears to be a heavy machine gun.

The vehicle is equipped with a forward-folding trim vane and ducted propellers for amphibious operations. The rear left of the vehicle hull seems to hold an auxiliary power unit.

As with other amphibious vehicles, the engine intake and exhaust is likely to be mounted on the roof of the hull. In addition, there are two crew firing ports on each side, with cameras mounted in a recessed nook above the ports. It is possible that these cameras form part of a 360° awareness system for the crew.

The second vehicle follows a very similar layout but is longer due to two box structures mounted behind the main hull on either side of the access ramp and door. One of these boxes contains the auxiliary power unit, with the second box likely meant for equipment storage. The turret has been covered with camouflage netting in the photographs but it appears to have been fitted with a panoramic commander’s sight on the right side of the turret.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Seems like it might be comparable to the Turkish Otocar Arma, if so then a light weight 2 + 8 AFV with a 6x6 configuration probably a slower amphibious swim speed then existing Tracked PLA Amphibian IFV
 
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