Chinese Hypersonic Developments (HGVs/HCMs)

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bebops said:
Are these weapons ready operational or in develpoment?
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All of the systems shown at these parades should be in early stages of introduction/service at minimum. Sometimes by definition it means they can overlap with very late stages of development (IOTE equivalent).

But these weapons should not be programs that are only in the prototype or test stage.
 
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ACuriousPLAFan said:
Did some very rough guess-timations on the two missiles above.

Assuming that both carrier trucks are of the same model and are ~12 meters long:

HCM: ~8.5 meters (length) x ~0.71 meters (diameter)
HGV: ~10 meters (length) x ~0.95 meters (diameter)

Looks like the HCM can fit inside the UVLS cells onboard PLAN DDGs, whereas the HGV cannot (or would require larger VLS cells).

Of course, it must be noted that the obtained values may not be fully accurate, hence please take them for rough reference purposes. Feel free to point out or correct any discrepancies.
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The truck should be as tall as M977 at 2.8m tall.
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Which makes the missiles around 8.3m long, with 0.8m diameter Which means it could fit in VLS in destroyers.
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For HCM these are the dimensions. Could it fit in the VLS on type 054A? I don't know the dimensions of the VLS.
 
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Is this the first time we have seen a hypersonic cruise missile from China? I know they have had glide vehicles and traditional ballistic missile re-entry vehicles for a while, but I cannot seem to remember ever seeing a cruise missile? Safe bet to guess it is a scramjet?
 
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SlothmanAllen said:
Is this the first time we have seen a hypersonic cruise missile from China? I know they have had glide vehicles and traditional ballistic missile re-entry vehicles for a while, but I cannot seem to remember ever seeing a cruise missile? Safe bet to guess it is a scramjet?
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I would wait to first confirm the appearance of the missiles first (i.e.: without tarps) before saying "we have seen a hypersonic cruise missile".

But yes, if this ends up being a hypersonic cruise missile, it would be the first such weapon of this nature in PLA service.
 
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imo that MIRV hypersonic is a game changer. One hypersonic is difficult to shoot down but a MIRV hypersonic is a 99% success.

If the price is about the same as a long range single warhead hypersonic, MIRV is obviously the better choice.

Anything MIRV will by pass defense system.
 
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Now we know the specific designations: the wave-rider HGV is YJ-17, the bi-cone HGV is YJ-20, the HCM is YJ-19, and there's also a YJ-15 suspected to be the next-gen successor to the YJ-12.
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So the Chengdu gay guy was right - That 055 DDG-launched biconical HGV missile is indeed called YJ-20. It is likely that only the air-launched/export variant(s) is/are called YJ-21.
 
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