Chinese Hypersonic Developments (HGVs/HCMs)
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AssassinsMace
Lieutenant General
It's funny because I think it was Grim Reapers on YouTube questioning that Chinese wargame simulation of a hypersonic attack on a US carrier fleet. They questioned the credibility of a Chinese simulation so they did their own to see if a US carrier fleet could defend itself. They had three different scenarios each with an increasing number of hypersonic missiles. Oh guess what? Only one of those scenarios where a US naval ship was hit. They said they made it as realistic as possible not giving favoritism to one side meaning the US. But they didn't follow the Chinese war game simulation. The Chinese simulation had a three wave attack. The first wave has lesser hypersonic missiles so the US Navy would waste their SMs trying to knock them down followed by two more waves of more capable hypersonic missiles plus ASBMs. The Grim Reaper simulation started over after only one wave giving the US navy a replenished stockpile of SMs plus no ASBMs were involved.
If there's any consistent attribute from western fiction (especially folks like Tom Clancy) that I've observed is that the creators generally assume that their scenarios play out as based on their ideological assumptions, rather than genuine empirical evidence and methodology. Wargaming folks I've also seen do the same thing (such as treating 'democratic' nations as having greater inherent stability during wartime than authoritarian/monarchical systems, which really isn't the case).
antiterror13
Brigadier
way overplayed, and nobody cares anymore ... sanctioning hypersonic weapon makers? .. do the US have one ?
Is like Japan sanctioning Chinese Space industry companies or EV
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Yeah I caught that video it's was very very entertaining just like a lot of their other videos... Their entertaining , I'm not going to lie they're pretty cool despite the fact that they cannot run very complex sims and that ALL sims in general can be easily manipulated.
But Your right , Even in their own simulation they completely missed the mark. For whatever reasons only the Type 055 platform and the YJ21 Missile could be used in this sim attack. Because In their reality the DF21/26 don't exist and PLA HGVs are a myth. Ok Fine but what's really Funny here is that they have used the H6K/J heavily in their other PLA versus sims and there is an Air Launch derivative of YJ21 in the PLA inventory or soon to be.
All the more Puzzling , All of the 24 Missiles(YJ21s) and the ones fired in the later sims in the video lacked maneuverability and would basically fly the same arc trajectory to the target... ( Um , Wouldn't that make it easier for the defender to shoot down. So Why the hell would the PLA/PLAN just attack the carrier group from just that one approach...)
But again these are the same people who made a sim video where PLA would perform an aerial first strike on the northern part of the Island of Taiwan with just 51 PLAAF aircraft because in their reality the DF15/16/17... don't exist.
boy some folks are in for a rude awakening should the stuff really hit the fanny in a real shooting war with PLA of today.
speaking of the YJ21 used in that sim image if a few had been mated with a HGV to their booster instead.
All publicized Western sims are pure propaganda.
Just some food-for-thought discussion.
Now that China already has:
1. DF-17 with ranges of 1800-2500 kilometers, which provides sufficient coverage up till and around the First Island Chain, and
2. (Soon) DF-27 with ranges of 5000-8000 kilometers, which provides sufficient coverage up-till and around the Second Island Chain -
Would it be viable for China to develop a new HGV delivery platform capable of providing sufficient coverage up-till and around the Third Island Chain too?
I believe that said delivery platform can be based-off the DF-31AG - That is, by switching the third-stage of the original DF-31AG with hypersonic glide vehicle that are similar to/upgraded from the ones mounted on the DF-17 and DF-27.
In the meantime, considering the larger diameter of the DF-31AG compared to the DF-16 and DF-26 (of which the DF-17 and DF-27 are based upon respectively) - Should the modified DF-31AG missile be capable of mounting more than one HGV per missile? I'm thinking of (optimally) two or (maximum) three HGVs per missile, which should help a lot in terms of cost and resource management for the PLARF.
Now that China already has:
1. DF-17 with ranges of 1800-2500 kilometers, which provides sufficient coverage up till and around the First Island Chain, and
2. (Soon) DF-27 with ranges of 5000-8000 kilometers, which provides sufficient coverage up-till and around the Second Island Chain -
Would it be viable for China to develop a new HGV delivery platform capable of providing sufficient coverage up-till and around the Third Island Chain too?
I believe that said delivery platform can be based-off the DF-31AG - That is, by switching the third-stage of the original DF-31AG with hypersonic glide vehicle that are similar to/upgraded from the ones mounted on the DF-17 and DF-27.
In the meantime, considering the larger diameter of the DF-31AG compared to the DF-16 and DF-26 (of which the DF-17 and DF-27 are based upon respectively) - Should the modified DF-31AG missile be capable of mounting more than one HGV per missile? I'm thinking of (optimally) two or (maximum) three HGVs per missile, which should help a lot in terms of cost and resource management for the PLARF.
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plawolf
Lieutenant General
Grim Reapers are trash tier when it comes to objectivity and realism and their need to cater to the core base, who are overwhelmingly extremely US/NATO fanboys.
You can watch their ‘sims’ for entertainment value, but their predictive qualities are on par with Tom Clancy war porn.