Chinese Geopolitics

SamuraiBlue said:

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The question is why is Japan has publicly called for ICJ arbitration for the Dokdo Island dispute, but not for the Diaoyu Island dispute?

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Simply because Japan cannot become the plaintiff for Senkaku since Japan already administrate them.

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ICJ is not really a court. Japan can't bring the Dokdo case before ICJ without Korean agreement. But that didn't stop Japan from publicly calling for ICJ arbitration for the Dokdo case, but not for the Diaoyu case. Why is that?

This is why I seldom participate in these topic discussions anymore.

Lets just let the results speak for itself.

People like samuraiblue are the type that believe only US-aligned nations can ever have legitimate territorial claims and anybody opposed to them/not beholden to them are inherently illegitimate and should just roll over everytime they say so. This just betrays their ideological conceit far more than the actual basis of territorial claims or of state interests whether by China, Russia or anyone else, and thus makes any notion of discussion moot.

montyp165 said:

People like samuraiblue are the type that believe only US-aligned nations can ever have legitimate territorial claims and anybody opposed to them/not beholden to them are inherently illegitimate and should just roll over everytime they say so. This just betrays their ideological conceit far more than the actual basis of territorial claims or of state interests whether by China, Russia or anyone else, and thus makes any notion of discussion moot.

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Well... it's probably not just to frame SamuraiBlue as a mindless ideologue, because he or she has posted thoughtful views showing just the opposite. Admittedly, however, some of his posts in this specific thread are more combative (we've all done that, so I'm not berating Samurai).

It's so sad to see most Chinese mouthpieces argue for calm in Sino-US relations, but we get just the opposite from their US counterparts. For example, these two articles;

SHANGHAI (Reuters) - China and the United States must avoid a "new cold war" in their international relations, China's top newspaper said on Saturday, in the wake of high level talks in Beijing between senior leaders of the world's two largest economies.

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States must respond more aggressively to China's territorial claims in Asia, an influential U.S. Republican said on Thursday, warning that failure to do so would bring "death by a thousand cuts."

Mike Rogers, chairman of the U.S. House of Representatives' intelligence committee, said Washington should be less concerned with Chinese sensibilities when dealing with Beijing.

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Blackstone said:

It's so sad to see most Chinese mouthpieces argue for calm in Sino-US relations, but we get just the opposite from their US counterparts. For example, these two articles;

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Midterm election is coming up. We will see more China bashing articles from US lawmakers, senators and representatives. Targeting China is a popular vote grabbing strategy for both parties. Don't expect any reconciliatory tone from US before Nov 4th.

Blackstone said:

Even the US doesn't acknowledge Japan's claims on Diaoyu islands, so pray tell what nations say Japan owns them? Diaoyu Dao belongs to China, and America illegally gave the administrative rights to Japan through right of might, not rule of law.

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If the US does not acknowledge Japan's claim then why do they officially reaffirmed that Senkaku is included within the Japan-US mutual defense treaty?
Japan's claim towards Senkaku was included within the San Francisco peace treaty so at least all 40 signatory nation acknowledges it.

shen said:

ICJ is not really a court. Japan can't bring the Dokdo case before ICJ without Korean agreement. But that didn't stop Japan from publicly calling for ICJ arbitration for the Dokdo case, but not for the Diaoyu case. Why is that?

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As I have posted before Japan already administer the islands and does not recognize any dispute so Japan cannot become a plaintiff at court. Who is Japan going to sue?

Blackstone said:

It's so sad to see most Chinese mouthpieces argue for calm in Sino-US relations, but we get just the opposite from their US counterparts. For example, these two articles;

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I'm sure there are discussion within China inner political circles to be wary of the US. There are publish party mouthpiece that criticize US policies pivot and its rightly so. US cannot be trusted "fully" as ally because their leadership are easily influences and politically bought in their campaign. Currently they are in deadly embrace and almost constant conflict all over the globe with the Islamic civilization Shias or Sunnis, Russian, Socialists nation and south America states due their policies. US China relationship should be keep cordial and at arms length.

SamuraiBlue said:

If the US does not acknowledge Japan's claim then why do they officially reaffirmed that Senkaku is included within the Japan-US mutual defense treaty?
Japan's claim towards Senkaku was included within the San Francisco peace treaty so at least all 40 signatory nation acknowledges it.



As I have posted before Japan already administer the islands and does not recognize any dispute so Japan cannot become a plaintiff at court. Who is Japan going to sue?

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There's only 1 option to resolve trolling nationalist government...PLA military option. Will US come to defend Japan over Senkaku? That's the question Abe administration is very nervous about because they do not trust US commitment and is better arm themselves. Japan fear China would take it by force. Would shinning white knight US come to the rescue? Hmmm

Quon_Duixote said:

Gentlemen, we are all mature here, so go easy with the personal attacks et al. We can now see that there is a very clear encirclement happening around China led by very serious state actors. While provocative and under the guise of subtle diplomacy, China needs to respond to such encirclement aggressively, if it is to gain currency as a world super-power. What will China do to retort back?

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in the case like DYT china will go easy and play with the Japanese for another 20 years or so. there is no rush because they can't bag the island and take it home, the islands will still be there but china will be another world in 20yrs. for now they will send coast guard cutters there to ''administer'' the islands.