Chinese Generals of Antiquity

crobato

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Zhuge Liang, Lu Bu, Cao Cao, Cao Pi, Liu Biu, Zhang Fei, Ma Chao, Guan Yu, Zhao Yun, Sima Quan, Sun Quan, Sun Ce, Guan Ping, Gan Ning, etc,. These are all famous not just from the Romance of The Three Kingdoms, because of Koei's video games made around the story, ROTK whch has 11 editions already and Dynasty Warriors which has 5 editions already. Not to mention new massive multiplayer online versions for this year. Thus these have a modern following among game players, especially among Japanese, who would not know any other Chinese general but somehow all these guys have some mythical status. Example: there is a ridiculous heavily fan service anime called Ikki Tousen (US: Battle Vixens), where students from warring schools somehow manage to acquire sacred magatama, or jewels which contains the powers and spirits of the legendary warriors from the Three Kingdoms. The lead heroine appears to have the spirit of Sun Ce.

Lu Bu has a particularly special place among fans of the Koei series, and even gets a crossover into the Japanese feudal period in one of the Samurai Warrior games. Literature describes Lu Bu not being that good a general for being tempestious, but as a warrior he was legendary, taking on Guan Yu, Zhang Fei and Lui Bui to a stand still in the Battle of Hu Lao pass. He is traditionally portrayed with these two long feathers coming out from his headress, and this also gives him his signature appearance in the games. He is alluded in various anime under the Japanese name Ryofu.

But for all the generals in the 3 Kingdoms, Guan Yu is the one worshipped in Buddist temples as a protector and saint. He is the one often portrayed in Chinese buddist and taoist temples as a fearsome bearded warrior with dark red skin wearing a green robe and holding a halberd and this is the way he is also portrayed in Chinese opera. Guan Yu's unique status as a saint and deity sets him apart from all the Chinese generals. He is especially worshipped in Hong Kong, Taiwan and among overseas Chinese in South East Asia.

His quintessial image, that fearsome red skinned man with beard, armor with green robes and a swinging halberd, is alluded into various games, movies, and animes.

For this reason, Guan Yu is most unique in his place in modern Asian folklore and mythos, from history to religion and to modern Asian pop culture.
 

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Guandao is probably something that would not have appeared prior to the Ming Dynasty. Mongol introduced all sorts of curved weapons and sabres to China, probably from the Middle East. Historically, Guan Yu may have used the Ji (Ge) or Dagger Axe, which is much more common during the Han-Three Kingdoms period.

Because Romance of the Three Kingdoms was published in the Ming Dynasty, the characters were all illustrated with Ming Dynasty armor and weapons. This continued further when such is portrayed in paintings, temple gods, Chinese opera and even in modern movie, manga/manhwa and video games.

John Woo's new movie on the Battle of Chibi will try to portray the Three Kingdom characters in more of a historic light, and therefore try to show armor and weapons in a more historic fashion, rather than cramming everything from Qing to Qin Dynasty into some kind of "universal" ancient China conveniently packaged for media consumption.
 

goldenpanda

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Last year Hu sent the Art of War to Bush, not sure if Bush understands it.

I don't think Hu understands Bush doesn't like to read.

Or maybe he does...


Hey I was wondering, has any foreign leader been invited to watch 京剧 (beijing opera) with a Chinese leader? When Japanese occupied beijing they picked up a taste for it. They were always stories about love, war, and loss.:eek:ff
 
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Ryz05

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I don't think Hu understands Bush doesn't like to read.

Or maybe he does...


Hey I was wondering, has any foreign leader been invited to watch 京剧 (beijing opera) with a Chinese leader? When Japanese occupied beijing they picked up a taste for it. They were always stories about love, war, and loss.:eek:ff

Hu read the Art of War? That's great! Every politician and person should read that book. I'm not sure, but I think many Chinese who can afford a book had read or heard something about the Art of War. There are also other good ancient classics, like Dao De Jing (I'll read it sometime). Bush should sent a Bible to Hu. Everyone should read the bible as a philosophy book as well.

Beijing opera is a part of Chinese culture and identity. The Japanese occupiers might've gotten a taste for it, but it sure didn't make its way to Japan.
 

crobato

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Hu read the Art of War? That's great! Every politician and person should read that book. I'm not sure, but I think many Chinese who can afford a book had read or heard something about the Art of War. There are also other good ancient classics, like Dao De Jing (I'll read it sometime). Bush should sent a Bible to Hu. Everyone should read the bible as a philosophy book as well.

Beijing opera is a part of Chinese culture and identity. The Japanese occupiers might've gotten a taste for it, but it sure didn't make its way to Japan.

I'm not really sure about the last part. Some time ago and not too long ago at that, I saw an ad on Japanese TV with show times and schedules on Beijing opera. Apparently a troupe was in Japan to do a tour.

Even back in the Meiji era, Japanese academies had Classical Chinese departments devoted to the studies of Chinese classics, including Sonshi (Sun Tze in Japanese). There were many editions of Sonshi, written at that time until today.

Today, Art of War editions are bought by trendy corporate warriors around the world looking to gain some advantage over one another.
 

Ryz05

Junior Member
I'm not really sure about the last part. Some time ago and not too long ago at that, I saw an ad on Japanese TV with show times and schedules on Beijing opera. Apparently a troupe was in Japan to do a tour.

Even back in the Meiji era, Japanese academies had Classical Chinese departments devoted to the studies of Chinese classics, including Sonshi (Sun Tze in Japanese). There were many editions of Sonshi, written at that time until today.

Today, Art of War editions are bought by trendy corporate warriors around the world looking to gain some advantage over one another.

I'm not surprised there are Beijing opera performances in Japan as the countries are so connected these days.

The Art of War is not only read by business people, but also a recommended reading in the US marine corps as well as being kept in all US military academic libraries. I recommend that book to everyone.
 

Yue Fei

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I think the most famous Chinese general is Sun Tze known to the west, yeah he is famous for his book but not many know he is a good general who was in wars actually.

Sun Zi is the most well known and influential man of strategic studies perhaps even in Military theories.
 
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