Chinese Future Force Warrior / Land Warrior program

whats the practicality of this? it seem to be to expensive for a army as large has chinese. the only time this is useful is fighting in urban areas. however, even with that i htink their are much cheaper way to attack corners.

noone536 said:

whats the practicality of this? it seem to be to expensive for a army as large has chinese. the only time this is useful is fighting in urban areas. however, even with that i htink their are much cheaper way to attack corners.

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China's goal is to fight limited regional wars in a high tech condition. So this is designed for Spec Ops. I don't think they want to give every single soldier this kind of high-tech equipment. No one in the world can afford to equip ALL their troops with high-tech equipment like this, no matter how small their army is.

If possible, can we delete the very first photo, where 2 girls holding rifles? It is so obvious that they are NOT professionally trained in any way or form... The girl in the background is practically aiming at the one in the front...

TerraN_EmpirE said:

The periscope eye display is a common feature for many systems of this ones class but it inhibits peripheral vision which is why its often mounted to flip out of the way. At this point in time most smart glasses are to weak to take a combat troops abuse but that is changing slowly.
The function of such systems is not as simple as you make it sol. They are often used to display navigation, text communication, thermal and IR imagery, relayed imagery from off site like feeds from drones other soldiers or maps from command.
Another common feature for systems of this ones class is shooting around corners. This is done by feeding imagery from a camera mounted to the carbine of the soldier to the display. So that the soldier can aim there weapon at a adversary from behind cover without risking their lives.

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Most of what you mention can be stowed in another piece of gear and communicate with the HUD through wireless connectivity. The key functionality that a smart glass offers is HUD and eye-level camera, meaning you can superimpose camera image on your own vision.

solarz said:

Most of what you mention can be stowed in another piece of gear and communicate with the HUD through wireless connectivity. The key functionality that a smart glass offers is HUD and eye-level camera, meaning you can superimpose camera image on your own vision.

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True, but can it handle the changing weather pattern and all kinds of conditions considering the soldier has to hike, jump, roll into muds, getting tangle by vines, and tree limbs through the jungle and woodlands? HUD and any display works well inside a canopy of an air craft but it's pretty difficult to keep it level and functioning outside of it.

Sol that's a given except for one thing your never going to get a IR or thermal camera small enough to be worn on a pair of glasses at least not one of any real quality not with out spending a fortune and decades of R&D.
Other data displayed on the Eye has to come form a Control module that the user can interface with. in early units this was a computer tower mated to a pack frame. Today thanks to Technology it's probably a Tablet either mounted on the fore arm or the chest.
Now this class of system is often used for R&D of sub systems that can be spiraled to existing forces. for example the Night vision model on the carbine could with some work be spiraled into the general PLA as a upgrade over the existing NOD. The command and Radios could be simplified and spiraled to scouts and platoon/company Commanders.
A number of Helmet mounted para-scope displays like the one we see on the Chinese units have been used on a number of similar systems world wide both develop mental and fielded. The biggest issue though has been the limitation of loosing one eye well in use this eliminates depth perception reduces peripheral vision and cuts your general vision in half that's why it's not a bad idea to work on smart glasses such as the work of or a see through display like . Smart glasses have a edge in that they can be worn in most cases with or without a helmet. This is a bonus for some specialties like SF or Trainers or troops who for what ever reason have discarded there helmets for there duties.

we need newer photos

TerraN_EmpirE said:

Sol that's a given except for one thing your never going to get a IR or thermal camera small enough to be worn on a pair of glasses at least not one of any real quality not with out spending a fortune and decades of R&D.
Other data displayed on the Eye has to come form a Control module that the user can interface with. in early units this was a computer tower mated to a pack frame. Today thanks to Technology it's probably a Tablet either mounted on the fore arm or the chest.
Now this class of system is often used for R&D of sub systems that can be spiraled to existing forces. for example the Night vision model on the carbine could with some work be spiraled into the general PLA as a upgrade over the existing NOD. The command and Radios could be simplified and spiraled to scouts and platoon/company Commanders.
A number of Helmet mounted para-scope displays like the one we see on the Chinese units have been used on a number of similar systems world wide both develop mental and fielded. The biggest issue though has been the limitation of loosing one eye well in use this eliminates depth perception reduces peripheral vision and cuts your general vision in half that's why it's not a bad idea to work on smart glasses such as the work of

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. Smart glasses have a edge in that they can be worn in most cases with or without a helmet. This is a bonus for some specialties like SF or Trainers or troops who for what ever reason have discarded there helmets for there duties.

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one issue though, is with such high tech gadgetry, are they able to make it low-cost and mass produce it while retaining quality? we're talking about the largest ground force in the world, and if they're capable of integrating this system into the force successfully, these gadgets can have tremendous positive impacts in speeding up PLA's modernization process and even boost the pace of structural changes that this military force is experiencing

airsuperiority said:

one issue though, is with such high tech gadgetry, are they able to make it low-cost and mass produce it while retaining quality? we're talking about the largest ground force in the world, and if they're capable of integrating this system into the force successfully, these gadgets can have tremendous positive impacts in speeding up PLA's modernization process and even boost the pace of structural changes that this military force is experiencing

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Mass production of hardware is never going to be a problem, nor is quality. China is clearly at a stage where they are capable of producing high quality high tech products at very reasonable cost - especially electronics and gadgets - have look at the mobile phone industries where they are now right behind the Koreans (LG/Samsung), Japanese (Sony, Sharp) and American (Apple) with their very own brands and design (Xiaomi, Lenovo, Huawei, ZTE, Gionee) - in fact I would say it may even be an advantage for them because of the mobile phone industries are relying on China to produce the goods for the global market (majority of the mobile phones are produced there). They can drive the cost down more easily (since majority the factories are there), and because of the nature of Future Force Warrior type program where it is information-centric and sensor-centric a lot of mobile phone tech can easily be translated to it - GPS, high speed data transmission (4G/5G/6G), data sharing, high resolution camera, high performance CPU (ballistic computer), advanced battery tech, hardware hardening (IP65/IP67) and weather proofing...etc etc.

TerraN_EmpirE said:

Sol that's a given except for one thing your never going to get a IR or thermal camera small enough to be worn on a pair of glasses at least not one of any real quality not with out spending a fortune and decades of R&D.
Other data displayed on the Eye has to come form a Control module that the user can interface with. in early units this was a computer tower mated to a pack frame. Today thanks to Technology it's probably a Tablet either mounted on the fore arm or the chest.
Now this class of system is often used for R&D of sub systems that can be spiraled to existing forces. for example the Night vision model on the carbine could with some work be spiraled into the general PLA as a upgrade over the existing NOD. The command and Radios could be simplified and spiraled to scouts and platoon/company Commanders.
A number of Helmet mounted para-scope displays like the one we see on the Chinese units have been used on a number of similar systems world wide both develop mental and fielded. The biggest issue though has been the limitation of loosing one eye well in use this eliminates depth perception reduces peripheral vision and cuts your general vision in half that's why it's not a bad idea to work on smart glasses such as the work of

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or a see through display like

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. Smart glasses have a edge in that they can be worn in most cases with or without a helmet. This is a bonus for some specialties like SF or Trainers or troops who for what ever reason have discarded there helmets for there duties.

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What about this:

That's a handheld FLIR system. And I think for infantry you don't need to have a FLIR system like the one mounted on aircraft where you can see the enemy aircraft 100 km away. Just 500 meters is more than sufficient considering most of the engagement range is around 400 meters (and the reason majority of the assualt rifles are designed around that range).

And I think they can already integrated a fairly powerful CPU into the size of Goggle Glass nowadays (the latest 14 nm die shrink has caused a dramatically shrink on the logic board too for the Macbook - the logic board to shrink to 1/4 of its original size and power requirement from 11 TDP to just 4.5 TDP) so they can definitely shrink most of those hardware into just the helmet itself.

The real problem for China is of course the software side - software hardening and also hardware hardening against electronic warfare or even cyber warfare. When you are up against the best of the best like the US military - where they have a vast and high quality talent pool to access from their hardware and software industry - the advantages that China has in producing and equipping soldiers with these kind of hardware basically can turn against them when they hack their systems either remotely or wirelessly on battlefield - making them giving away positions in realtime or even listening in on their conversation..etc etc.