Chinese fishermen

Well as you guys know, more Chinese fishermen had gotten into trouble with foreign law. I'm not sure how many times it's been, but these Chinese fishermen has constantly been accused by NUMEROUS countries for their intrusion of foreign sovereign waters. I'm not talking about just Diaoyu/Senkaku, but many various countries around the area all have their bones with these Chinese fishermen.

Although you guys can call me out for being biased, I do hold a very disdain view towards these Chinese fishermen because there's been numerous cases, and how they behave always cause a lot of political uproar, not to mention these incidents damage political ties between countries. S.Korea had to make arrests couple times, and of course the time with Japan was the worst; it pretty much destroyed all the efforts Japan and China had been working diplomatically to warm up the ties. I don't recall if Spratly Islands disputes recently were like that as well.

In the international stage, China is working very hard to be responsible, however the acts of these fishermen are very undermining the country's image and feeding to all the negative stereotypes out there. My teacher used to say, "Today we're going on a field trip. I want you to put on your best behavior. This is because we represent our school." In the same case, we represent our ethnicity, nationalities, and who we are, therefore how we act will have a strong effect on how people perceive China.

Also, I don't believe that it's always the other parties are like that if there had been not one, but multiple cases with various countries, as well as why they always ended up so dramatic. While someone might saw that's cause they are pro-American, I still don't think that this could've happened without the faults of the Chinese fishermen. I won't agree with aggressive tactics by the foreign party, but I'd say these fishermen are primarily to blame because without their intrusion, this issue can't start.

Come on, do you really think Chinese fishermen are the only ones doing this? How many Vietnamese fishermen does China arrest every year?

When you're poor, you're more willing to take risks. You can't blame them for trying to make a better life for their families!

The only thing different with Chinese fishermen is that the Western media focuses their spotlight on them.

Strict to the Palau shooting incident:

The Chinese fishermen were / are misconducting, but that's not wrong enough to be shot at. If we following that "my turf, my way" thinking, there got to be A LOT OF dead Vietnames fishermen now - there aren't, because law enforcing do not equals to guns blazing.

Air, I got your point of sense of "make the best out" of people whom (willingly or not) representing a whole bunch of group of people (representing Chinese people, in this case) - but the world IS a gaint jungle world hide behind "civil". When there's more and more "understanding", "sympathizing" on, people like sex workers, small time drug dealers who "also" have a family, and so on so forth - I am blunt that if a whole LEGAL TRADE of people called fishermen, being painted as any suggestive content, from people have their own agenda, put them under spotlight and magnifier, try to figure out "what's wrong with them" - I for one, am bluntly middle fingering that kind of agenda.

If "civiled people" have an understanding of the trade of sex workers (just for example) that they have their own difficulties, they just wanna earn a living in this jungle world, they have their own dignity and this and that... I would certainly cite jungle rule and call for understanding of the hardship that fishermen, esp Chinese fishermen are enduring.

So strict to the Palau shooting incident, I do not see guns blazing justified, not even "mis-shot" (If you understands how provocative the word "mis-shot" to Chinese people is).

Palau is pretty fricking far from China. Those guys must be really hardcore to go that far afield.

solarz said:

Palau is pretty fricking far from China. Those guys must be really hardcore to go that far afield.

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LOL tbh, i wondered how the hell they got all the way out there. wtf were they even trying to fish?
Anyways, no I don't think the Chinese are the only ones..however it's good you guys understand my intentions. I am very upset with these who are being like this. It's true others are like that as well, but when the spotlight's on you in particular, and these are things that the condemning countries use to their advantage. Because it really is a legitimate concern, those fishermen should actually act up instead of giving others a chance to start a scene. I don't really buy the "making a living" reason because using this as an excuse, there are way too many of these related incidents with Chinese boats around the region, and aside from US trying to start shit up, I'd say these fishermen are the ones giving China the most troubles with the neighbors. Of course your neighbor's not too nice to start with, but why make it worse by always getting them work up? If China wants to improve relations with these countries, these ships are hindering it. I think it's really important these fishermen know to respect others' sovereignty. Lastly, as much as those countries have been calling China as assertive, these fishing boats are giving these countries something to grasp on to say that's what they're talking about.

I really don't think shooting anyone is necessary, but one of the incidents also involve the death of a S.Korean. None of these do good to improve bilateral relationships..

airsuperiority said:

LOL tbh, i wondered how the hell they got all the way out there. wtf were they even trying to fish?
Anyways, no I don't think the Chinese are the only ones..however it's good you guys understand my intentions. I am very upset with these who are being like this. It's true others are like that as well, but when the spotlight's on you in particular, and these are things that the condemning countries use to their advantage. Because it really is a legitimate concern, those fishermen should actually act up instead of giving others a chance to start a scene. I don't really buy the "making a living" reason because using this as an excuse, there are way too many of these related incidents with Chinese boats around the region, and aside from US trying to start shit up, I'd say these fishermen are the ones giving China the most troubles with the neighbors. Of course your neighbor's not too nice to start with, but why make it worse by always getting them work up? If China wants to improve relations with these countries, these ships are hindering it. I think it's really important these fishermen know to respect others' sovereignty. Lastly, as much as those countries have been calling China as assertive, these fishing boats are giving these countries something to grasp on to say that's what they're talking about.

I really don't think shooting anyone is necessary, but one of the incidents also involve the death of a S.Korean. None of these do good to improve bilateral relationships..

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I don't think fishermen think, or care about, international relations. Or if they do, they care far more about their next paycheck.

And I don't think it's fair to blame them for that either. These people need to make a living however they can. I mean, migrant Mexico workers make all Mexicans look like illegal aliens to Americans. HKers think all Filipinos are house servants.

The open sea is a real tricky place to control. There are no roads and check points to man. A car can only drive on a road, so a border post can just block off that road. A ship, on the other hand, can sail where-ever it likes, so in the end, the chances of getting caught for illegal fishing is very low. It's like speeding: everyone does it because you're far more likely to get away with it than to get caught.

That said, I don't have much sympathy for those fishermen if what the Palau policemen say is true: that they tried to ram the enforcement vessel. I imagine they thought that if they could disable the police vessel, they can get away.

solarz said:

I don't think fishermen think, or care about, international relations. Or if they do, they care far more about their next paycheck.

And I don't think it's fair to blame them for that either. These people need to make a living however they can. I mean, migrant Mexico workers make all Mexicans look like illegal aliens to Americans. HKers think all Filipinos are house servants.

The open sea is a real tricky place to control. There are no roads and check points to man. A car can only drive on a road, so a border post can just block off that road. A ship, on the other hand, can sail where-ever it likes, so in the end, the chances of getting caught for illegal fishing is very low. It's like speeding: everyone does it because you're far more likely to get away with it than to get caught.

That said, I don't have much sympathy for those fishermen if what the Palau policemen say is true: that they tried to ram the enforcement vessel. I imagine they thought that if they could disable the police vessel, they can get away.

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I think you meant "some" HKers think Filipinos are domestic helpers unless you happen to know HK people, at least most of them. I am pretty sure some americans think Chinese are rotten, but I cant really say Americans think Chinese are rotten in certainty, because I only know a few Americans personally. I actually think there are more americans think we are ok persons just as more HKers think Filipinos are just not domestic helper . I know, my ex-boss is Filipino. He was the depot manager of an oil company. Some people in the forum seem to have the uncanny ability to believe they know what majority of other people think. It may be something you westerners eat or drink. We Chinese just dont have this ability.

Navigation in openwater is not easy. In the old days, it relies on dead reckoning. In this case, they are the victims. The police fired at the boat not in self defense.

Paulu is not far at all. From Zhuhai to international water near Philippines only takes a few days. Our fishermen nowadays travel far to catch prized groupers and snappers.

aquauant said:

I think you meant "some" HKers think Filipinos are domestic helpers unless you happen to know HK people, at least most of them. I am pretty sure some americans think Chinese are rotten, but I cant really say Americans think Chinese are rotten in certainty, because I only know a few Americans personally. I actually think there are more americans think we are ok persons just as more HKers think Filipinos are just not domestic helper . I know, my ex-boss is Filipino. He was the depot manager of an oil company. Some people in the forum seem to have the uncanny ability to believe they know what majority of other people think. It may be something you westerners eat or drink. We Chinese just dont have this ability.

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Did you miss the smiley?

Navigation in openwater is not easy. In the old days, it relies on dead reckoning. In this case, they are the victims. The police fired at the boat not in self defense.

Paulu is not far at all. From Zhuhai to international water near Philippines only takes a few days. Our fishermen nowadays travel far to catch prized groupers and snappers.

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If they tried to ram the law enforcement vessel, then the law enforcement agents were well within their right to defend themselves. The police were not firing at the fishermen, they were firing at the fishing boat's engines, and a bullet ricocheted, wounding a chinese fishermen who then bled to death before help could arrive.

I fail to see how they can play the victims card here.

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aquauant said:

Some people in the forum seem to have the uncanny ability to believe they know what majority of other people think. It may be something you westerners eat or drink. We Chinese just dont have this ability.

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LOL, hypocrisy much?

I'm Chinese BTW, and we Chinese are the biggest bunch of generalizers there are. Or are you going to tell me regional stereotypes about Shanghainese, Beijingers, HKers, Mainlanders, Fukkienese, Sichuan "Spice Girls", Northwestern "Macho Men", Northerners vs Southerners, City-folk vs Rural-folk, etc. etc. don't exist?

When Westerners want to learn more about a person, the first question they ask is, "What do you do?". In China, that's the second question they ask. The first question the Chinese ask is, "Where are you from?".

I know nothing about this incident, but I have read many stories about fishermen from all over the world violation the laws of their own country and of other countries. It must be something about the very activity of catching fish. In Europe there is little trouble with wayward fishermen. There are European Union laws to limit the catching of certain fish species to preserve the stocks for the sons of the fishermen but trouble is avoided by rarely checking whether the fishermen keep to the law.

I remember during the 80s Americans were all angry seeing Japanese fishing vessels east of Hawaii. Or how about if you watch Whale Wars apparently Austrailia claims a large portion of the Antarctic South Pacific and Indian Oceans as their territory to which whale activists use to claim Japanese whaling as illegal. Look at the hypocrisy over "freedom of navigation." They get alarmed over China sending navy ships out into the deep Pacific.