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for sealed packing boxes (密封型包装箱) for the WS-19 Huangshan turbofan (黄山发动机). I don't have access to the full text of the tender, but I've found a screen capture of it online (1st image below) that gives more details. The tender is probably for packing boxes used to transport the engines from the factory to end customers. Original text and a translation are provided below.

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中国航发四川燃气涡轮研究院某型发动机密封型包装箱研制采购公告

1.询比价内容: 黄山发动机密封型包装箱研制。

2.响应单位资格要求 a)营业执照/事业单位法人证书; b)相关国标质量体系认证; c)三级及以上保密证书。

3.对接时间、地点2022-8-05, 请在此日期前完成线下对接报名, 并按第2条资格要求填写附件1资质信息一览表, 并提供相关证明材料。

4.邀请投标文件发放时间、地点、方式2022年8月10日, 中国航发四川川燃气涡轮研究院, 自取。

5.响应截止时间及地点2022-8-25, 中国航发四川燃气涡轮研究院。

6.评审时间、地点2022-8-28之后, 中国航发四川川燃气涡轮研究院; 说明: 第5、6项的具体时间以邀请投标文件为准。

7.采购单位名称、地址、邮政编码、联...

Announcement on the development and purchase of a certain type of engine sealed packaging box of China Aviation Development Sichuan Gas Turbine Research Institute

1. Bidding objective: The development of sealed packaging boxes for Huangshan engine.

2. Respond to unit qualification requirements a) business license/public institution legal person certificate; b) relevant national standard quality system certification; c) third-level and above confidentiality certificate.

3. The docking time and place are 2022-8-05, please complete the offline docking registration before this date, and fill in the list of qualification information in Annex 1 according to the qualification requirements of Article 2, and provide relevant supporting materials.

4. The time, place, and method of the invitation to bid documents will be issued on August 10, 2022, by the Sichuan Chuan Gas Turbine Research Institute of China Aviation Development Corporation.

5. Deadline and place of response 2022-8-25, China Aviation Development Sichuan Gas Turbine Research Institute.

6. Review time and place after 2022-8-28, China Aviation Development Sichuan Chuan Gas Turbine Research Institute; Note: The specific time for items 5 and 6 is subject to the invitation to bid documents.

7. Purchasing unit name, address, zip code, contact...
 

OppositeDay

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With the recent report of sale of 4 CASIC WJ-700 drones to Algeria and engine update for CASC CH-4, let's just talk a bit about the landscape of Chinese drone engines. We have two major players, Anhui Hangrui specializing in heavy-fuel piston engines and AECC specializing in various kinds of turbine engines. And there's a minor player, CASIC's inhouse engine division led by Beijing Institute of Mechanical Propulsion, which specializes in jet engines for missiles.

Hangrui and AECC work on largely different areas, although they have somewhat competing projects like Hangrui's 600kW "Golden Eagle" piston engine and AECC's 600kW AEP60E turboprop.

CASIC however offers CTF-12 1,000 kgf turbofan which is in the same class as AECC's AEF100 1,000 kgf turbofan. CASIC WJ-700 likely uses CTF-12. One of the reasons for splitting AECC from AVIC was so that AVIC competitors like CASC and CASIC would be willing to use AECC engines, but CASIC might still prefer using in-house engine whenever it's available.

CASIC has experiences in designing small jet engines for missiles, and CTF-12 can achieve some economy of scale if the engine is also used in cruise missiles and perhaps also through commonalities with other CTF series engines. But AEF100 also can have economy of scale if it's used by both CASC CHs and AVIC Wing Loongs. In addition, AEF100 shares its jet core design with AEP80 turboprop and AES100 turboshaft, so there could be many common parts.

There are two areas that AECC and Hangrui have a lot of experiences in and CASIC probably lacks. One is building engines with long TBO. Hangrui pistons are advertised as having TBO of 2,000 hours. AECC has also been steadily increasing its engines TBO. I don't know about CASIC, but considering they are missile jet specialists I don't think they have much experiences in producing high TBO engines, as TBO is irrelevant for missiles. Another area is FADEC. All Hangrui engines have FADEC and so are all new AECC models. Again, I don't think CASIC, coming from a missile jet engine background, has much experience with FADEC. There's no indication that CTF-12 uses FADEC. And I think it's a waste of resources for CASIC to develop in-house FADEC expertise when FADEC brings little benefits to its core missile business. I suspect once AEF100 matures, there will be market pressures for CASIC to switch to AEF100. But it's unclear whether the internal pressure to stay with in-house CFT-12 will prove stronger.

Well, at least having too many domestic turbofans to choose from is a problem China should be glad to have.
 

Zisan Artaxerxes

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IMO it is a F-35 and not in China similar to the alleged steamy drone which was simply a faked X-47
There must be a VTOL combat aircraft in development in China. China has a plan to acquire 8 Type-075 LHD. Plus there is a possibility of seeing another type of LHD serving the PLAN in future. There is no meaning of keeping this much LHDs in service just to keep helicopters floating.
 

davidau

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There must be a VTOL combat aircraft in development in China. China has a plan to acquire 8 Type-075 LHD. Plus there is a possibility of seeing another type of LHD serving the PLAN in future. There is no meaning of keeping this much LHDs in service just to keep helicopters floating.
I inlcine to think China is already doing some vectoring of the engines for VTOL [ J 35 x ?] fighter jets which were shown before by a forum memeber. That would be logical for these fighters to be demployed on the Type-75 LHD.
 

BoeingEngineer

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well, very little information is available about CJ-2000. as far as i know, CJ-2000 has much bigger core so nope. engine is not derived from CJ-1000A. its a completely new process.

AECC learned a lot from CJ-1000A , domestic supply chain and China has now complete ecosystem of aero engine.

Here are some features of engine

CJ-2000 total take off thrust is 78,000 lbs. front fan diameter is exceed 3 meters. bypass ratio is 11
full sized composite fan blades
full composite casing
integrated manufacturing of large size drum shafts and powder trays
Fourth generation powder alloy high pressure turbine secondary disc tailgate

Is the CJ-2000 related to the WS-15 ?
 

Hyper

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I am curious . What comes after nickel superalloy for turbine blades in the hot section. Can SiC/SiC composites be used or else high entropy alloys have to be used. I only know a few materials . Would like an opinion from someone more knowledgeable? What other materials can be used ?
 

OppositeDay

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Does AVIC have any suitable engines for planes like CBJ800? Or plans to develop such engines?

No at the moment but a 50 kN high bypass class turbofan can probably be developed from AEP500's core. AEP500 is being developed as a 5,000kW civilian grade turboprop. A 5,000kW civilian turboshaft (AES500?) is likely on the cards for AC322 heavy transport helicopter. It's natural to follow up with a 50 kN class AEF500 turbofan if there are applications for it. AEP80, AES100 and AEF100 share the same core design. Also I imagine a low bypass 30 kN turbofan for JL-10/drones can be developed from the AEP500/AES500/AEF500 core. Probably better than designing an AI-222 replacement from starch.

Not sure about CBJ-800 itself though. It was a Chengdu project that was supposed to start in earnest in 2016 but we haven't heard about it since 2015. The project was probably not approved. I think we can all agree that at this juncture Chengdu shouldn't waste resources on small business jets. Let Comac do it after they're done with the business variant of ARJ21.
 
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