Chinese Engine Development

Xizor

Xizor

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SleepyStudent said:
Requiring licenses for engine intermediaries isn't an AECC specific sanction though if you deal with that political uncertainty anyway, would surprise me significantly if they weren't already working on replacing it
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Considering CJ1000 was the product of a different international political climate, yes, political uncertainty will affect the product.

They ought to have initiated working parallel on a replacement. If they didn't, they would be now. Anyway, the reveal next year certainly wouldn't include these replacements. But it'll verify the engine core and other Chinese components.
 
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latenlazy

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Xsizor said:
But could be. Foreign suppliers need to obtain licenses, it seems. So the CJ1000 seems more like a technology demo endeavor rather than a reliable engine which can be upgraded and serviced long term.

Things would be more bright if China initiated a program to replace the component supplier with Chinese or Russian ones. Anyway...
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I imagine most parts that use foreign suppliers are easily substitutable and not a meaningful point of leverage for sanction targets. With engines most of the components that would be vulnerable to sanctions are probably already blocked via tech exports.
 
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latenlazy said:
I imagine most parts that use foreign suppliers are easily substitutable and not a meaningful point of leverage for sanction targets. With engines most of the components that would be vulnerable to sanctions are probably already blocked via tech exports.
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The export control regime is that any component specifically designed for aircraft engines is controlled and requires a license to ship so back in the more amicable times, they probably weren't blocked. I don't know the mechanics of what is shipped and what hasn't though
 
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taxiya

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Regarding the impact of sanction on CJ1000. I think,
  1. Most of foreign supplied components have their domestic counterparts being developed in parallel.
  2. Majority of these foreign components are from Europe. Not that easy for US to block.
  3. CJ1000 is still in prototype testing. There are 3 test engines built already. Hopefully all components for test engines are already shipped.
I think the message is talking about some test milestone that is to be met by the end of the year. We know there are couple of tests ongoing. These test articles are already built.

The sanction would have real impact on serial production if:
  1. By the time of certification, domestic components are not ready.
  2. US is able to strong-arm Europeans to impose sanctions on China, or US can extend their sanction to include European components because of a US made screw.
These would be something to see in the next 2 years, but for now I don't think it will slow down the development.
 
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latenlazy

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taxiya said:
Regarding the impact of sanction on CJ1000. I think,
  1. Most of foreign supplied components have their domestic counterparts being developed in parallel.
  2. Majority of these foreign components are from Europe. Not that easy for US to block.
  3. CJ1000 is still in prototype testing. There are 3 test engines built already. Hopefully all components for test engines are already shipped.
I think the message is talking about some test milestone that is to be met by the end of the year. We know there are couple of tests ongoing. These test articles are already built.

The sanction would have real impact on serial production if:
  1. By the time of certification, domestic components are not ready.
  2. US is able to strong-arm Europeans to impose sanctions on China, or US can extend their sanction to include European components because of a US made screw.
These would be something to see in the next 2 years, but for now I don't think it will slow down the development.
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And after the wave of bans in 2019 there’s no way they aren’t already working on supply chain hardening for the parts that have narrow range of substitutes.
 
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latenlazy said:
And after the wave of bans in 2019 there’s no way they aren’t already working on supply chain hardening for the parts that have narrow range of substitutes.
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I'm surprised there hasn't been an open source Chinese language accounting of the CJ-1000A supply chain
 
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pipaster

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Is there any possibility of going over to the PD-14/purchasing MC-21s if in a bind?

In fact why haven't the Chinese carriers ordered a token number of MC-21s, even if just to show good will to Russia.
 
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taxiya

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pipaster said:
Is there any possibility of going over to the PD-14/purchasing MC-21s if in a bind?

In fact why haven't the Chinese carriers ordered a token number of MC-21s, even if just to show good will to Russia.
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What is the purpose of buying MC-21? It is the same type of aircraft as C-919. China have no problem purchasing such type like A320. The sole purpose of C-919 is to be able to make it. How does a "good will" help to realize that purpose?

PD-14 is the same class as CJ-1000. Once again what is the point of buying PD-14 which itself is also under development? It may be a little bit ahead of CJ-1000 on the way, but the whole thing engine or aircraft is about building competence than assembling.

Lastly, why are there these "good will" thing, for what? Nothing is free and nothing should be free.
 
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