Chinese Engine Development

Deino

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All the numbers released to public are fake numbers designed to fool foreign intelligence. China is not exporting the J-20 or WS-15 any time soon. There is literally no need to release the specs.


Why do you think it is related to some intentions to export the WS-15? IMO I see nothing in this regard ... and yes, even if there's "no need to release the specs", there is anyway a lot of rumour and speculation around. So my point / question is: Are these nothing but made up or reliable, possible, likely?? .
 

ZeEa5KPul

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Why do you think it is related to some intentions to export the WS-15? IMO I see nothing in this regard ... and yes, even if there's "no need to release the specs", there is anyway a lot of rumour and speculation around. So my point / question is: Are these nothing but made up or reliable, possible, likely?? .
Use some common sense. Every previous indication we had was that the WS-15 was ~180kN. There are WS-10 variants with 145kN thrust, you think the WS-15 couldn't manage better than to squeeze 5kN on them?

You should know better after the Scramble debacle not to be so jumpy.
 

Deino

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Use some common sense. Every previous indication we had was that the WS-15 was ~180kN. There are WS-10 variants with 145kN thrust, you think the WS-15 couldn't manage better than to squeeze 5kN on them?

You should know better after the Scramble debacle not to be so jumpy.

Indeed, and I must admit I was always very much reluctant to believe such claims ... 180kN is not an easy goal and as such something between regular 150-165kN is in fact what I expect first when it enters service some day.

By the way, what "Scramble debacle"? Scramble simply reported that they got hand on images showing several J-10Cs and J-20As at CAc, they reported this and indeed noted a few options or possibilities. That this was hyped up is probably more a common media issue today, than Scramble's fault.
 

Atomicfrog

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Use some common sense. Every previous indication we had was that the WS-15 was ~180kN. There are WS-10 variants with 145kN thrust, you think the WS-15 couldn't manage better than to squeeze 5kN on them?

You should know better after the Scramble debacle not to be so jumpy.
Thrust is important, these number is a little higher than a vastly improved ws-10 variant, not a lot but a bit better. Maybe it will improve reliability and service life compared to that stretched to the upper limits ws-10 variant ?

We have thin amount of information anyway... if ws-15 is improvement and the engine works, it's a good thing ! They can build on this.
 

stannislas

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Why do you think it is related to some intentions to export the WS-15? IMO I see nothing in this regard ... and yes, even if there's "no need to release the specs", there is anyway a lot of rumour and speculation around. So my point / question is: Are these nothing but made up or reliable, possible, likely?? .
I would agree with @siegecrossbow on this, you can tell if these numbers are reliable or not by comparing them with similar products like F119. Plus some numbers are related to each other, so from that point of view, for me, certain numbers just look a little bit ridiculous.
 
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