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Do you have a link for "Work division and cooperation of China aero engine development"?
Chinese Engine Development
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Do you have a link for "Work division and cooperation of China aero engine development"?
Another proof of my theory Shenyang Liming is hindering all Chengdu project. But I do not expect Shenyang to even dare to fool around for J-20 project. Because J-20 is a high priority project set by PLAAF. CCP leader will punish any party who dare to fail this project. Looks like Shenyang has cross over the board.
The recent photo of pre J-10B production plane running with inferior thrust AL-31F engine once again demonstrated Shenyang attempt to limit Chengdu J-10b influence in PLAAF by not supplying higher domestic thrust WS-10A to J-10b.
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oh great lion, keep teaching us your highly intellectual wisdom.
You just can't accept my facts! Keep your illusion.
Why pre production J-10b not using WS-10A with higher thrust when latest J-11b, J-11bs and J-16 are running freely with WS-10A? WS-10A has demonstrated its maturity by running on prototypes of J-16 and J-15S initial flight test. None of Shenyang latest fighter jet suffer from shortage of WS-10A engine.. While J-10A or J-10b needs to bite the bullet and continue use Russia engine?
Using Russian engine is the only way to break the blockage of Liming limiting Chengdu fighter presence in PLAAF.
Why WS-15 transfer from Liming to Xi'an?
Shenyang and Chengdu are rivals which is undeniable. Their products are very similar for the needs of PLAAF. Chengdu beat Shenyang in the contest for 5th gen fighter for PLAAF. This hurts SAC and its a fact. Chengdu knows it and lobby to CCP higher level for the transfer of WS-15 to Xi'an to prevent similar fate of the high priority J-20 to be delay.
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Ohhhh NO, not again !!!
Please elaborate why no? I have good backing to prove my points. The latest move of WS-15 from Liming to Xi'an once again put weights on my theory. Do not abuse your moderator power to rebuke my point. Explain....
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This just doesn't make sense. I can accept some competition/rivalry between the two companies/institutes. However, I cannot imagine one would have the capability to attempt to hinder the other one. While they may be separate entities, they both belong to the Chinese govn't. All it needs is an order from the govn't to allow the engines to be shipped to Chengdu. If the leadership in Shenyang dares to defy the order from the top, they would be fired immediately since they would be potentially hindering the development/modernization of the PLAAF and PLA and China as a whole.
Some competition on a lower level is possible, but withholding THE most important parts to the project with THE highest priority of PLA modernization? highly unlikely.
Keep in mind that they all belong to the govn't and answer to the CMC. They can have competition as long as the govn't allows it, like submitting multiple designs for the same projects. However, they will have no choice but to collaborate if the govn't tells them to collaborate.
My guess is that, since WS-10 is not as mature as AL-31, they want to minimize as many variables as possible while testing all the new techs on J-20.
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We explained to you many times our view, I don't see why I need to keep repeating myself. If you think you know more about PLAAF and Chinese turbofan engine than Pupu, we just have to accept your greatness.
What bugs me is that you keep bringing this up at every opportunity despite how sick of this argument the rest of us are. And I've explained this to you.
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There are plenty of stories on how SAC uses dirty tactics to further its own interests using its influence in AVIC. A great example told how CAC won J-20's project fair and square, then SAC used its influence in AVIC to get the rights to design J-20's aft fuselage section. Another story explained how SAC took revenues from CAC, XAC, and others through AVIC to fund the research of 31001. We also have plenty of stories related to bad attitude of SAC, such as how SAC isn't concerned about what PLAAF thinks, how SAC never fixes design issues, and how SAC blames PLAAF and pilots whenever there is an incident with SAC's products.
I wouldn't be surprise at all if SAC drag its feet in providing WS-10A engines to power the J-10B.
I wouldn't be surprise at all if SAC drag its feet in providing WS-10A engines to power the J-10B.
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The danger of stories is that they're just stories. Without verification stories are just as liable to spread disinformation as they do information.