Chinese Economics Thread

sunnymaxi

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Tomboy said:
I don't know about you but quite a bit of Chinese university including NEU and BUAA (Both project 985 colleges) still have atleast some instructors and students using US software such as MATLAB, AFAIK atleast for MATLAB, use is still extremely widespread despite official ban.
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i never said, entire Chinese education system switched to homegrown software but critical industries like AECC/COMAC and top institutes rapidly shifting on local alternatives.

MATLAB has been discontinued from Chinese market since May,2020 and if blacklisted institutes still using this that means they pirated the software.
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''MATLAB use is still extremely widespread despite official ban'' that is not true.

please update your database and see this down below.

Suzhou based company ''MWORKS'' as an alternative to Matlab and already widely used by major institutes across China.

Since 2022, Tongyuan has promoted MWorks in teaching and research at universities including Harbin Institute of Technology, Beihang University, Beijing Institute of Technology, and Harbin Engineering University

here is the official website. detailed information is available. you can read.
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notice the universities though。those are the PLA affiliated military research institutes

its a very limited rollout, obviously confined to institutes under national defense directorate
sunnymaxi said:
i never said, entire Chinese education system switched to homegrown software but critical industries like AECC/COMAC and top institutes rapidly shifting on local alternatives.

MATLAB has been discontinued from Chinese market since May,2020 and if blacklisted institutes still using this that means they pirated the software.
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''MATLAB use is still extremely widespread despite official ban'' that is not true.

please update your database and see this down below.

Suzhou based company ''MWORKS'' as an alternative to Matlab and already widely used by major institutes across China.

Since 2022, Tongyuan has promoted MWorks in teaching and research at universities including Harbin Institute of Technology, Beihang University, Beijing Institute of Technology, and Harbin Engineering University

here is the official website. detailed information is available. you can read.
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horse

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Regarding software, I think that is irrelevant for this discussion about China's economy.

Software is going to be irrelevant in China (in terms economic accounting for padding GDP numbers), as everything is going to be freeware.

I saw a TikTok video that said that one university release a quantum computer operating system.

FREE!

If other people still want to pay the Americans for software, be my guess.

TikTok is free. Yet they are starting to make boat loads of money.

It is what Mao said. They fight their war, I fight mine.

Free software, should create an economic ecosystem (if the software is good and is adapted widely), from which the winners will tap into it to extract money from it. Before you had to buy something, now people are doing it this way.

Maybe this idea came from the gaming. Make the games free, but charge for extras. People still paid up.

So to bring up software and how China is behind the Americans, kind of misses the point, and frankly speaking, that is being totally out of touch with the reality of China, and the reality of what the Americans are up against.

Americans do not have a software lead over China. It probably is the other way around now. But, that does not matter at all. With the AI writing the code, the cost of software is going down.

What the Americans do have over China is legacy software, because China was a poor developing country in those days. Face the fact, legacy software is not the future.

The other day Unitree release all their training data for the robot LLM, as least that is how I understood what was said. Imagine that.

Yet we praise in this thread about how the Americans have legacy software edge, commercialized to a full extent, and China does not?!

I think that world is gone.

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horse

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horse said:
Maybe this idea came from the gaming. Make the games free, but charge for extras. People still paid up.
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It is very interesting, how to make a sale.

What do people pay for?

That is an economics questions.

Here is something I do not do, still found very interesting.

This is China. Today!

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They built, an actual tank simulator to play the game.

It was so cool. I saw it on TikTok, but here is the youtube version from someone else.

The original piece of software, spurs further economic activity. These guys were willing to pay to upgrade their software experience.

I thought it looked so cool, and I do not play computer games.

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Customs officials hate this one simple trick!

(Lying)

The New York Times reviewed trade data and spoke with more than a dozen company executives, as well as government officials, lawyers and economists, about the practices they were seeing as these trade and accounting schemes proliferated. Increases in tariffs have raised the incentive to avoid them, especially since penalties for breaking the law are rare. Some U.S. companies, particularly small businesses, have found themselves operating in a legal gray area, where they may not know if their actions are legal. The Trump administration is trying to step up efforts to combat trade fraud, but it is still woefully outmatched by the challenge, company executives and trade lawyers say.
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