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Geithner’s Yuan Call Rejected as ‘Horrible Advice’

Jan. 29 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner’s call for China to loosen restrictions on its currency was criticized by economists and policy makers at the World Economic Forum.

Allowing the yuan to strengthen would be “economic suicide” amid an economic slump, Stephen Roach, Morgan Stanley’s Asia Chairman, told a panel in Davos, Switzerland, yesterday. “I’ve never seen an economy in recession voluntarily raise their currency. It’s horrible advice.”

Renewed clashes over the yuan threaten to stoke tension between two of the world’s biggest economies and undermine cooperation to counter the global recession. China limited yuan gains against the dollar in July 2008 after the currency rose 21 percent following the end of a peg three years earlier.

“Shouting from Washington to Beijing is not going to make a difference,” said South Africa’s Finance Minister Trevor Manuel on the same panel.

Geithner, who took office this week, said Jan. 22 President Barack Obama believes China is “manipulating its currency,” suggesting the new administration may take a tougher line with the biggest foreign buyer of U.S. government debt.

Early Contact

China’s Premier Wen Jiabao said yesterday in Davos he had expressed interest in having “early contacts” with Obama’s administration.

“A peaceful and harmonious bilateral relationship between these two countries will make both winners,” Wen said. “A confrontational one will make both losers.”

The Bush administration stopped short of using the term in criticizing China’s exchange-rate management. Some U.S. lawmakers are seeking measures to punish trading partners perceived to have undervalued exchange rates.

“Obama -- backed by the conclusions of a broad range of economists -- believes that China is manipulating its currency,” Geithner told Senators in written testimony. “The question is how and when to broach the subject in order to do more good than harm.” Obama’s team will “forge an integrated strategy on how best to achieve currency realignment in the current economic environment.”

China’s commerce ministry said Jan. 24 that the country hasn’t manipulated its currency to promote exports and that accusations of government tampering in foreign exchange will fuel U.S. protectionism. China’s yuan trades at about 6.85 to the dollar.

“It is probably not the right time to focus on the Chinese exchange rate given that it is not a central element of the world crisis,” Olivier Blanchard, the International Monetary Fund’s chief economist, said at a press conference in Washington yesterday. “There are many other things that we should be thinking about.”
 

bladerunner

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Looks like the first steps of a possible trade war has already started.According to the Telegraph a ban on imported steel and iron for stimulus related projects, with the senate going further by considering a stipulation that only american made equipment and goods be used for any stimulus program.

THeoretically that would mean no Chinese made Computers or calculaters or telecomunication products will even be considered. I wonder if you are not allowed to sit at a chinese made desk or chair when doing the related paperwork, or cutlery in the cafateria,. An over zealous offical could probably ban hundreds and hundres of minor items from toilet paper to the most sophisticated item.
 
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crobato

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I won't call it a trade war. Politics is politics. This is meant as a domestic stimulus. You really should not blame them for requiring only domestic products. Problem with that plan is that there isn't a lot of many things domestic, considering for example, how much electronic equipment and components are made in China, Taiwan, and elsewhere. And you may end spending more for the domestic stuff. But you're supposed to feed domestic industries anyway.

I would expect that any form of stimulus package whether its from China, Japan or Germany, would require the use of domestic products.
 

Spike

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Encouraging the use of domestic products is fine but banning them outright is extreme. This ban violates pre-existing US commitments and obligations from WTO to NAFTA.
 

bladerunner

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Encouraging the use of domestic products is fine but banning them outright is extreme. This ban violates pre-existing US commitments and obligations from WTO to NAFTA.

I believe there were restrictions on steel products before, and they werent removed until 1982
 

pla101prc

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Looks like the first steps of a possible trade war has already started.According to the Telegraph a ban on imported steel and iron for stimulus related projects, with the senate going further by considering a stipulation that only american made equipment and goods be used for any stimulus program.

THeoretically that would mean no Chinese made Computers or calculaters or telecomunication products will even be considered. I wonder if you are not allowed to sit at a chinese made desk or chair when doing the related paperwork, or cutlery in the cafateria,. An over zealous offical could probably ban hundreds and hundres of minor items from toilet paper to the most sophisticated item.

that's funny, there are a lot of things americans cant produce themselves that would be included in the list
 

bladerunner

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Not sure about the point of your post, but NAFTA and WTO didn't come into existence until the 90's.

my mistake, thought WTO had been around longer, getting myself confused with all the preliminary WTO establishment talks during the early 80's
 
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crobato

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Encouraging the use of domestic products is fine but banning them outright is extreme. This ban violates pre-existing US commitments and obligations from WTO to NAFTA.


It seems this issue is being pointed out at Davos.
 

crobato

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A few good news.

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HSBC chairman says its business in China not hit by financial crisis
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2009-01-31 00:34:23 Print

Davos, Switzerland, Jan. 30 (Xinhua) -- HSBC business in China has not been hit by the financial crisis, said Stephen Green, chairman of HSBC Group in an interview with Xinhua at the World Economic Forum on Friday.

He said that he was confident over the development prospect of China's economy and was satisfied with the reform of China's capital market. China's fiscal stimulus package will play an important role in pushing Chinese economy forward.

At a press conference held here on Friday, HSBC called for the creation of a new set of principles and rules that promote international trade by increasing transparency and simplicity in the financial system, and proposed a forum to enable global businesses to engage with governments and regulators as this new marketplace is constructed.

The concept of the "Business 20" forum, which has the support of the British government, is to mirror the G20 group of the world's most influential economies in both the developed and the developing worlds.

Stephen added that the B20 would draw together companies from both the developed and emerging worlds to help inform policy and create a more stable global economy. It would be the voice of sustainable business.

"We must create a global principles-based system that promotes trade, allows investors to move capital across borders with confidence and removes needless, and often misleading, complexity from financial products."

He said that this crisis was possibly the worst since the 1930s.There are lessons to be learned in this for all banks, financial institutions, governments, regulators and each of private consumers.

He listed major lessons as the following: The current financial framework has proved inadequate and must be fundamentally revised. Business needs to cooperate with government and regulators in the creation of a new global marketplace for all industries and consumers.
 
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