Chinese Economics Thread
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Blackstone
Brigadier
Unlike Japan, Britain isn't whitewashing history and lying to their own people about its imperial past. That is something China could work with; there's no need to grovel and mouth apologies all day long, just a few sincere ones are enough. True contrition comes from owning up to the past and educating future generations on what really happened. China and Britain could move forward in their relations because the British haven't behaved like the Japanese.
Why you dragging Japan into this? That's a separate issue. Now, regarding these "Christian" drug dealers.
"just a few sincere ones are enough" So if someone were to say rape and kill your wife and drug your family to death, laugh at you, and spread lies about your race for over a century. Well... you will die of old age likely as a widowed drug addict, but let's say your grandchild hears some Sincere Apologies™, is all forgiven?
Why bother having a justice system? Why have prisons?
Regarding your mythology of "True contrition comes from owning up to the past and educating future generations on what really happened"...
Deny the British empire's crimes? No, we ignore them
Finally, regarding "British haven't behaved like the Japanese"...Indeed they have not. They've been far worse.
” ..the supply of Opium to China which led to the addiction and death of countless hundreds of millions has been neglected (oh look, that dirty concept again)”
English and the Discourses of Colonialism
Meanwhile, here's a microscopic sampling of Britain's own power to forgive . In case you tell me that it was a long time ago, who's helping America destroy the Middle East? Hint, it starts with "B" and it ends with "ritish".
"just a few sincere ones are enough" So if someone were to say rape and kill your wife and drug your family to death, laugh at you, and spread lies about your race for over a century. Well... you will die of old age likely as a widowed drug addict, but let's say your grandchild hears some Sincere Apologies™, is all forgiven?
Why bother having a justice system? Why have prisons?
Regarding your mythology of "True contrition comes from owning up to the past and educating future generations on what really happened"...
Deny the British empire's crimes? No, we ignore them
Finally, regarding "British haven't behaved like the Japanese"...Indeed they have not. They've been far worse.
” ..the supply of Opium to China which led to the addiction and death of countless hundreds of millions has been neglected (oh look, that dirty concept again)”
English and the Discourses of Colonialism
Meanwhile, here's a microscopic sampling of Britain's own power to forgive . In case you tell me that it was a long time ago, who's helping America destroy the Middle East? Hint, it starts with "B" and it ends with "ritish".
plawolf
Lieutenant General
One should look at history fully and in context.
At the time when the British were pushing opium on China, the full effects of it were not fully understood, and the British were using it at home themselves in everything from child cough syrup to high end smoking and injection kits aimed at the aristocracy.
It was not like they were forcing it on China while banning it at home themselves.
Indeed, it was the British who stopped shipping opium to China after they banned it at home (many many years after, but eventually they did). How else did you think China managed to finally kick the habit?
I'm by no means defending or justifying the wars of aggression Britain waged against China to sell hard drugs. Just pointing out that they were not considered hard drugs or illegal at the time.
The Imperial British committed enough terrible crimes to damn themselves without needing us to embellish any of them.
BTW, this is not something the British teach in school, in fact the whole opium war is either totally ignored or brushed over as a footnote (which is why I always roll my eyes when the British press parrots the same old lines about China being selective about what it teaches in history class) and is something I found out through independent research, so its no one's party line.
Just the historical truth as far as I can tell.
At the time when the British were pushing opium on China, the full effects of it were not fully understood, and the British were using it at home themselves in everything from child cough syrup to high end smoking and injection kits aimed at the aristocracy.
It was not like they were forcing it on China while banning it at home themselves.
Indeed, it was the British who stopped shipping opium to China after they banned it at home (many many years after, but eventually they did). How else did you think China managed to finally kick the habit?
I'm by no means defending or justifying the wars of aggression Britain waged against China to sell hard drugs. Just pointing out that they were not considered hard drugs or illegal at the time.
The Imperial British committed enough terrible crimes to damn themselves without needing us to embellish any of them.
BTW, this is not something the British teach in school, in fact the whole opium war is either totally ignored or brushed over as a footnote (which is why I always roll my eyes when the British press parrots the same old lines about China being selective about what it teaches in history class) and is something I found out through independent research, so its no one's party line.
Just the historical truth as far as I can tell.
Plawolf,
Sorry, but that is not true. Here's an excerpt in a letter to Queen Victoria from Commissioner Lin
Sorry, but that is not true. Here's an excerpt in a letter to Queen Victoria from Commissioner Lin
plawolf
Lieutenant General
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I could find no record of any explicit British ban on opium use until the 1926 Rolleston Act was introduced. Even that Act was a very soft control, since it only took control and distribution of opium (and other opiates derived drugs) out of the hands of pharmacists and gave it to doctors instead.
However, the Act gave doctors an almost blank cheque to proscribe opium for anything they wanted to, so wasn't really much of a control at all.
It just meant addicts had to go to their doctor to ask for a prescription rather than their pharmacist.
Before that, opium use was controlled by the pharmacists, but freely available to any and all people who wanted to buy it, and any restrictions would have more to do with licencing and taxes rather than any real worry about the health impacts on the drug.
Indeed, it is ironic that western attitudes towards opium and its derivatives only started to change and harden after the massed arrival of Chinese slave labour (in all but name) in western countries, and is, in my view, as much fuelled by racist puritanism as it is by any concern about the health implications after westerners were able to see first hand how devastating opium use and abuse can be on people.
I could find no record of any explicit British ban on opium use until the 1926 Rolleston Act was introduced. Even that Act was a very soft control, since it only took control and distribution of opium (and other opiates derived drugs) out of the hands of pharmacists and gave it to doctors instead.
However, the Act gave doctors an almost blank cheque to proscribe opium for anything they wanted to, so wasn't really much of a control at all.
It just meant addicts had to go to their doctor to ask for a prescription rather than their pharmacist.
Before that, opium use was controlled by the pharmacists, but freely available to any and all people who wanted to buy it, and any restrictions would have more to do with licencing and taxes rather than any real worry about the health impacts on the drug.
Indeed, it is ironic that western attitudes towards opium and its derivatives only started to change and harden after the massed arrival of Chinese slave labour (in all but name) in western countries, and is, in my view, as much fuelled by racist puritanism as it is by any concern about the health implications after westerners were able to see first hand how devastating opium use and abuse can be on people.
Plawolf, since I'm ot, pls see pm.
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