Chinese Economics Thread

Jeff Head

Jeff Head

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Blackstone said:
...your actions prove you a hypocrite.

...are you just another Gordon Chang want-to-be, or can you be reasonable, rational, and balanced on PRC topics?
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The old, "When did you stop beating your wife," gambit, eh, Blackstone?

You and Brumby need to stop this dust off.

Blackstone, you simply do not need to accuse Brumby of being a hypocrite based on assertions you are making about how he thinks when you have no way of knowing whether that is what he thinks or not. To say it is his personal bias, and not sound economics makes you the arbitrator on what is and what is not sound economics.

I do not think you can or should put yourself in the position to be characterized that way.

You guys simply disagree...and that is fine.

My advise to ]u]BOTH OF YOU[/u]...is to recognize when you disagree and are not likely to change each other's opinions...and then leave it at that.

When you take to trying to prove either one or the other's opinions wrong, and do not or cannot accept a clear simple disagreement...then the fur starts to fly and names get called, insults get thrown out...and then someone like me has to come along and tell you guys to STHU and simply agree to disagree.

Please...do that. Agree to disagree and stop filling threads with constant, endless reasons why one or the other is right and the other wrong.

That's the definition of what Popeye calls a "meaningless argument."

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Equation

Equation

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getready said:
Not sure where the Chinese rail thred is but I thought putting to the article here may be okay. I know they just won a contract in Thailand againt a Jp company but abit surprised they managed to win a bid in the US with all the usual anti china sentiment. I guess providing local jobs assembly was the clincher.

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And yet those ingrate media keeps on spreading the anti-China sentiment just because many Chinese don't follow their narratives and norms. Good thing there are Americans who don't feel that way.
 
broadsword

broadsword

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getready said:
Not sure where the Chinese rail thred is but I thought putting to the article here may be okay. I know they just won a contract in Thailand againt a Jp company but abit surprised they managed to win a bid in the US with all the usual anti china sentiment. I guess providing local jobs assembly was the clincher.

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The Thai contract was for cross border rail linking China and Thailand. It is different from the bullet train project that the Japanese are also contesting. China has been winning contracts for building rolling stocks of various types. But they have not been as successful in winning turnkey metro projects. Bombardier is holding its own very well because of they have factories in low cost countries like India.

On the issue of quality, I notice it was the older designs that tend to give problems. One example is the CKD008 diesel electric locomotive. The batch sold to Namibia in the early 2000s was terrible and was subsequently scrapped. Corruption might have something to do with it. Another fleet sold to Malaysia gave rise to issues as well, but after remedial work, the trains worked as advertised. And the same thing happened to a fleet sold to New Zealand. But the latest fleet sold to Argentina seems to go well. Nothing came unstuck. I think they learned from experience. This model, CK008, uses foreign engine. A similar locomotive bought from the US could cost double. As always, quality comes with a price.

To put into perspective, Japanese locomotives sold to foreign countries in the 70's also gave problems.
 
SamuraiBlue

SamuraiBlue

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getready said:
Not sure where the Chinese rail thred is but I thought putting to the article here may be okay. I know they just won a contract in Thailand againt a Jp company but abit surprised they managed to win a bid in the US with all the usual anti china sentiment. I guess providing local jobs assembly was the clincher.
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PRC didn't "Win" against Japan in Thailand since both gained separate lines to work on. PRC will work on a conventional speed line and Japan will be working on a High Speed Line.
 
SamuraiBlue

SamuraiBlue

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Thailand bought the entire Japanese Shinkansen system which includes the trainset. There is still quite some time till the actual line is built so individual contracts have not been issued yet that is all.
 
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