Japan also uses a family registry system to classify her citizens by locale of birth. Are you implying the PRC registration system is inherently discriminatory because it is the PRC? Case of pot calling the kettle black.
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Japan also uses a family registry system to classify her citizens by locale of birth. Are you implying the PRC registration system is inherently discriminatory because it is the PRC? Case of pot calling the kettle black.
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No what I think SB meant is the PRC registration is more of a housing registry through place of birth. For example: You live in New Jersey, but you work in New York therefore you can't live in New York since you are not registered there, only in New Jersey. To me this works fine for really large and populated country since the infrastructure wouldn't have supported a sudden influx of people coming than it was design for.
If you are referring the Hukou system, it is the same as the Japanese Koseki system according to wikipedia. I think any shortcomings with this system are administrative in nature and will change as the nation becomes more developed like what has happened in Japan and Korea. Controlling city population is a necessary administrative function of government. Are City folks disallowed to live in the countryside if they so decide?
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Most countries like China where the government don't mind. It's all about not just availability of space, but access to clean water, waste and sewer disposal, energy supply, and basic city services like ambulance, fire responses, and police are all tied up to cost in a condense space.
SamuraiBlue
Captain
True democratic nations does not restrict moving from one place to another and can live anywhere without changing registry. From what I have previously read, PRC doesn't provide those luxury and you need to jump a lot of hoops as well sell off rights to change from rural area registration to city registration. Without them even if you find a home in the city side their child will not be allowed to attend the school near them nor gain medical treatment.
Japan's family registration(koseki [戸籍]) does not restrict me from anything. You can file a resident registration(Jumin Toroku[住民登録]) to any local government and it will take care of public schooling for the kids and universal health insurance for the family as long as you pay the taxes.
Family Registration is to keep record of birth place/date and marrige records to file next of keen to prove Japanese nationality.
broadsword
Brigadier
Will not bode well for Hong Kong. Mainlanders and others will have one less reason to skip Hong Kong.
The Dutch newspaper "Het Financiële Dagblad" carries today an article by its correspondent in Beijing that says that the small and medium sized enterprises have become the engine of the Chinese economy, accounting now for 65% of the total economy. This it says explains the 7% growth rate despite some hick ups in the segment with the larger companies.
Ultra, these are your opinions, and they are clearly biased against China.
Please do not post such opinions. They can easily be considered as flame bait.
The fact is, there are plenty of people in China who care about others, who do work hard and take pride in what they are making, and the majority of people in China, despite the Communist government...do have a faith in a higher power.
Here's some actual facts regarding that...something you did not do in your post at all...it was all pure opinion:
Purdue university conducted a study just a few year ago into religion in China and discovered that:
56.2% of the total population or 754 million people practice Chinese ancestral worship. 13.8% or 185 million identified as Buddhists. 12.9% or 173 million practiced Taoism. 2.4% or 33 million identified as Christians. 1.7% or 23 million were Muslims.
That means that 86.9% of the Chinese people practise some form of religion. That's a total of 1,185 billion people, Ultra.
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That's because Japan doesn't have over a billion people to take care of all at once. It can afford to be less strict. Although more and more Chinese are moving into the Tibet and Xianjiang region with little problems. The only ones complaining about it are the so called "human rights" watchers yammering about how the "han race" are over taking the population of the region that some how deteriorates their culture.
Once again I feel the need to delurk because there is just too much incorrect information.
First, China is mostly divided into provinces, but some large cities have the same legal and administrative status as provinces. For the sake of simplicity and clarity, let's refer to all of them as regions in China.
There are several dimensions to the Hukou system. One is the so-called rural versus urban divide. Actually in Chinese they are not called rural and urban, but rural and non-rural. This is being phased out. Already a number of regions do not have different registrations for rural and non-rural people. It's all just local resident registration. By 2020 this will no long exist.
Then there's the local versus non-local issue. No, the system does not legally restrict people from moving from one region to another. And no, it does not prevent one's child from going to school, or prevent one from seeking medical attention, and so on. While there are many factors, it's mainly about benefits. A person with a non-local registration does not get all the benefits a local resident does, and a lot of things are therefore more expensive. This provides a disincentive for people who want to move, mostly from more rural to more urban regions. Only the most motivated would try, and only the most qualified and capable will get to stay. As a result, urbanization in China is behind its general economic development. At the same time, urban poverty is also lower than it otherwise would be. This is actually an explicit goal of the system, and one major argument that the system, at least in some form, should be preserved, at least for some time.
The system is being changed. There are many aspects to this. One is to make changing one's registration easier. In some ways this has been going on for more than two decades now. One example is the so-called Blue Seal registration of some regions. Hukou reform is something that's being actively debated in China today, has been for some time. Opinions range from preserving the system mostly as is, to changing it in key aspects, to replacing it with a completely new system. As usual, the changes are incremental, gradual, and slower than many would like, but, at the same time, it's also mostly in the right direction.
Finally, please do not rely entirely on the English wikipedia article. It is not incorrect, but incomplete and at least slightly biased. Those who can read Chinese should really read the Chinese version.
中华人民共和国户籍制度
P.S. A thankyou to the mods for keeping things sane.
First, China is mostly divided into provinces, but some large cities have the same legal and administrative status as provinces. For the sake of simplicity and clarity, let's refer to all of them as regions in China.
There are several dimensions to the Hukou system. One is the so-called rural versus urban divide. Actually in Chinese they are not called rural and urban, but rural and non-rural. This is being phased out. Already a number of regions do not have different registrations for rural and non-rural people. It's all just local resident registration. By 2020 this will no long exist.
Then there's the local versus non-local issue. No, the system does not legally restrict people from moving from one region to another. And no, it does not prevent one's child from going to school, or prevent one from seeking medical attention, and so on. While there are many factors, it's mainly about benefits. A person with a non-local registration does not get all the benefits a local resident does, and a lot of things are therefore more expensive. This provides a disincentive for people who want to move, mostly from more rural to more urban regions. Only the most motivated would try, and only the most qualified and capable will get to stay. As a result, urbanization in China is behind its general economic development. At the same time, urban poverty is also lower than it otherwise would be. This is actually an explicit goal of the system, and one major argument that the system, at least in some form, should be preserved, at least for some time.
The system is being changed. There are many aspects to this. One is to make changing one's registration easier. In some ways this has been going on for more than two decades now. One example is the so-called Blue Seal registration of some regions. Hukou reform is something that's being actively debated in China today, has been for some time. Opinions range from preserving the system mostly as is, to changing it in key aspects, to replacing it with a completely new system. As usual, the changes are incremental, gradual, and slower than many would like, but, at the same time, it's also mostly in the right direction.
Finally, please do not rely entirely on the English wikipedia article. It is not incorrect, but incomplete and at least slightly biased. Those who can read Chinese should really read the Chinese version.
中华人民共和国户籍制度
P.S. A thankyou to the mods for keeping things sane.