Chinese Economics Thread

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Politics and blood matter more than economics for nations. Just look at the examples of Russia and Iran. China depends more on Australia than vice versa, even after Brazil becomes a major supplier to China unless Australia drops to near the bottom of its suppliers which is unlikely.
 

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It ain't about commodity prices being low because that's when you're suppose to buy. Japan is just spoiled to have the US paving the way doing all the leg work when dealing with countries politically.

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Remember when the pivot and TPP had nothing to do with containing China? Now it's the primary reason. TPP is either going to cost the US more money to make all these members that had China as their number one customers happy or every member except for the US will find out when China doesn't join, it will be equivalent to surrendering their sovereignty. That means a lot of government turmoil and violent street protests ahead.
 
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Last cigarette: Beijing brings in smoking bans from Monday
Health activists have pushed for years for stronger restrictions on smoking in China, the world’s largest tobacco consumer
Beijing will ban smoking in restaurants, offices and on public transport from Monday, part of new curbs welcomed by anti-tobacco advocates, though how they will be enforced remains to be seen.

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activists have pushed for years for stronger restrictions on smoking in China, the world’s largest tobacco consumer, which is considering further anti-smoking curbs nationwide.

Under the rules, anyone in China’s capital who violates the bans, which include smoking near schools and hospitals, must pay 200 yuan ($32.25). The current fine, seldom enforced, is just 10 yuan ($1.60).

Anyone who breaks the law three times will be named and shamed on a government website. And businesses can be fined up to 10,000 yuan ($1,600) for failing to stamp out smoking on their premises.

“Restaurant staff have a duty to try to dissuade people from smoking,” said Mao Qunan, of the National Health and Family Planning Commission. “If they don’t listen to persuasion, then law enforcement authorities will file a case against them.“

The government will also no longer allow cigarettes to be sold to shops within 100 metres of primary schools and kindergartens, according to state media.

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is a major health crisis in China, where more than 300 million smokers have made cigarettes part of the social fabric and millions more are exposed to secondhand smoke. More than half of Chinese smokers buy cigarettes at less than five yuan (80 US cents) a pack.

Parliament passed legislation last month banning tobacco ads in mass media, public places, on public transport and outdoors. Many Chinese cities have banned smoking in outdoor public places, but enforcement has been lax.

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Bright red banners, typically used to display government slogans, have been posted around Beijing with anti-smoking messages. The city has also set up a hot line on which violators can be reported, the
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Daily reported.

The names of people and companies who violate the rules more than three times will be posted on a government website for a month, state radio said.

Anti-tobacco advocates said they were more confident in the government’s will to enforce the bans after a series of tougher measures in recent months, including a bigger tobacco tax.

“We couldn’t say this is the strongest law in the world,” said Angela Pratt, of the World Health Organization’s Tobacco Free Initiative. “But it’s certainly up there with the strongest, in that there are no exemptions, no exceptions and no loopholes on the indoor smoking ban requirement.”
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NEW YORK (
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) -- The arc of history may be bending toward China and its currency, the renminbi, which is rising to ever greater prominence on a regional and world stage. And it's no accident -- it's part of a plan has been in the works for a while.

One way of thinking about how China operates versus the United States is that China thinks in terms of decades whereas the U.S. has a focus of one-to-three years. Consequently, projects that China works on are often hidden within the shadows of current events and tend to be ignored until they surface into reality. Some of those projects are now coming to light.

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Recently, there has been the
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that has attracted many United States allies even though US officials counseled against them joining the organization. The AIIB will compete against already existing Asian institutions that have had the backing of western countries.

In addition there is the effort by China's president, Xi Jinping, to initiate a "
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" program that is intended, in its simplest form, to expand and secure trade routes to the Middle East and Europe to enhance greater trade with these areas. A further discussion of this effort can be found in an article threateningly titled "
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Phillip Stephens, the author of the piece, closes with "the important thing about all the initiatives is that China intends to set the parameters. As the London-based consultancy Trusted Sources puts it, Beijing is harnessing all its economic, financial and diplomatic muscle to drive a process of Eurasian integration from its own border to the Middle East, Africa and Europe." He adds, "Beijing intends to be a rule-maker as much as a rule-taker," in the world.

And this brings us back to the renminbi. China's plan to have its currency become a global reserve currency is accelerating. Recently the International Monetary Fund has declared that the renminbi is
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. This has tremendous significance because it removes one of the hurdles for it to become an official reserve along with the U.S. dollar, the euro, and the Japanese yen.

As this is happening, the Chinese are making moves "to make it easier for individuals and companies to invest overseas." Lingling Wei, in the
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, comments that this will allow many Chinese individuals and businesses to purchase stocks, bonds and real estate in foreign markets.

This can be huge as it opens up the world to greater capital flows that enhance globalization, but also creates the possibility of greater volatility and risk, something that Chinese leaders are very concerned about. This is why Wei states that this initiative will be done by China with care and patience. This freeing up of capital flows is a necessary component of the renminbi becoming fully accepted as a reserve currency.

What is obvious is that these carefully planned, long thought out Chinese initiatives are working in terms of raising China's global stature economically -- and in turning the renminbi into a global currency. Current data reported by James Kynge in the
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indicate that the renminbi has overtaken other currencies in payments between China and the rest of the Asia-Pacific region.

Over the past three years the use of the renminbi has tripled and has exceeded the use of the Japanese Yen, the U.S. dollar, and the Hong Kong dollar. This information, Kynge writes, indicates "the renminbi's gathering acceptance as a currency for international trade settlement and investment."

The rising position of the renminbi has come primarily at the expense of the U.S. dollar.

Consistent with the Chinese move to open up overseas investment, the data indicate that "increasingly it is investment rather than trade that drives the renminbi's popularity."

All this is taking place as the United States struggles with a
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and a currency that is strong solely because U.S. monetary policy is less expansive than that being followed in Europe and many other central banks around the world.

If the Chinese continue along the path they seem to be moving on, the United States is going to be faced with some very hard decisions in the future. People that use a currency want to feel secure that the value of the currency will not decline.

The value of the U.S. dollar has declined in value for the past sixty years or so and the United States has been able to get away with this currency depreciation because of its unique position as the only reserve currency in the world during this time.

The Chinese seem to be on the move and they will be relentless in promoting their currency in the world. In doing so, they will be promoting a strong currency, one that retains its value over time. This appears to be the main thrust of their efforts.

The United States, on the other hand, has not prepared itself for such a challenge and has, as far as anyone can tell, no plans to combat such a threat.

Its not that the world could not survive with two or even three major reserve currencies, counting the euro. The potential problem is that strong currencies that maintain their value replace weak currencies that continue to depreciate in value. And the Chinese understand this.

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Equation

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Here's an article about TPP real intentions and why it's a bad idea.

NO COUNTRY IN ASIA wants to choose between political allegiance to the United States and economic alignment with China. Nor can any country in the region be forced into such a choice. Efforts by Washington to do so create a zero-sum game with zero appeal.

The debacle that followed recent US efforts to oppose the Chinese-sponsored Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank, or AIIB, is a case in point. The more Washington sought to prevent other nations from joining the AIIB, the more they questioned US leadership. In the end, they effectively repudiated it. There is an important lesson in that.

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In the end, trade agreements need to be justified in terms of their economic impact much more than by the putative political leverage they may provide. The two operative questions are: Will the TPP improve American competitiveness and/or create jobs in the United States? What US economic problems does it fix?

When the US Department of Agriculture modeled a version of the TPP that eliminated all tariffs (an unlikely outcome), it found that the pact would produce zero growth gains for the US economy. Other modeling has suggested that the partnership might boost growth by something less than 0.2 percent. A key reason for this is that the United States already has free trade agreements that eliminate tariffs in six of the 11 TPP negotiating countries. (The major exception is Japan.)

What would the TPP do for US competitiveness and growth and how would it effect American workers and consumers?

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Meanwhile, America’s largest and fastest growing market in the Asia-Pacific region is China, which TPP studiously ignores.

The White House’s efforts to portray the treaty as critical to national security simply underscores its inability to make a case for the agreement on the basis of economic benefits. The best that can be said for the trade agreement is that it could reduce nontariff barriers in Japan, opening opportunities to reduce the chronic US trade deficit with that country. It would also make it easier for US companies to outsource production to Vietnam and Malaysia. But it would do nothing to address the huge US trade deficit with China.

Quite aside from this, the administration’s geopolitical case for TPP is fanciful. In the real world, there is no way that new rules for trans-Pacific trade, written without regard to China and without Chinese participation, will somehow pivot the United States into a lasting position of supremacy in China’s backyard.

Four basic facts explain why that is so: First, China is now everybody’s biggest trading partner, including America’s prospective partners in TPP. Second, the Chinese market represents the major growth opportunity for all these nations.

Third, whatever their concerns about China’s increasing military power, Asian leaders have no interest in distancing themselves economically from China — or from the supply chains that converge there. Fourth, most economists expect China’s economic growth will continue to be much faster than that of the United States.

Casting the partnership as a way to cut China out of the rule-making process for trade and investment in the Asia-Pacific region may appeal to American Sinophobes and protectionists. But it ignores commercial realities on the ground in Asia. They, not the internal dynamics of US politics, will always guide Asian nations’ diplomacy.

Even the Obama administration seems to recognize this. After initial silence on the subject, administration officials have begun to say that China will be free to join TPP once negotiations have concluded, provided that China undertakes further, unspecified legal and economic reforms.

All this makes it almost surreal that the administration has staked the future of US relations with Asia on TPP as a counter to Chinese influence in the region. The likelihood that this will succeed is poor to nonexistent, and there is no fallback proposal should the effort fail.

In the end, the administration’s current arguments for trade treaty boil down to this: We have made the conclusion of this deal a test of our credibility as a Pacific power. If it fails, our credibility will suffer along with our geopolitical influence. So TPP must go forward.

But that’s both a circular argument and a bad bet.

More importantly, it’s irrelevant to what ought to be the main issue: What would the TPP do for US competitiveness and growth and how would it effect American workers and consumers?

It is absurd to imagine that TPP could wrest China — soon to be the world’s largest economy — from a preeminent role in Asia. The United States is far more likely to buttress its influence in Asia by leveraging rising Chinese prosperity and working with China than by ignoring it or attempting to bypass it.

Perhaps the Obama administration understands this. Even as it tries to sell the TPP as a means of containing China, it is well along in negotiating a bilateral investment treaty with Beijing. That makes sense. But it would be nice to hear a serious economic case for the TPP rather than a largely frivolous geopolitical one.

Chas W. Freeman was President Nixon’s main interpreter on his historic trip to China in 1972. H
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Blackstone

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Here's an article about TPP real intentions and why it's a bad idea.


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TPP may turn out decently for the US, but not for Japan, and the remaining nations are either already in NAFTA or too small to make much difference. In essence, TPP locks Japan to US standard that economically benefits US more than Japan, and in return, Japan gets to latch onto the US military for about ten more years.
 
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