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Jarmo

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Brutto national produkt in 2015:

Top-10:

1.USA - 19 trillion dollar
2.China - 18 trillion dollar
3.India - 10 trillion dollar
4.Japan - 5.5 trillion dollar
5.Germany - 4 trillion dollar
6.France - 3 trillion dollar
7.Britain - 2.8 trillion dollar
8.Brazil - 2.5 trillion dollar
9.Italy - 2.2 trillion dollar
10.Indonesia - 2 trillion dollar

Are this is true story?

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Franklin

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Brutto national produkt in 2015:

Top-10:

1.USA - 19 trillion dollar
2.China - 18 trillion dollar
3.India - 10 trillion dollar
4.Japan - 5.5 trillion dollar
5.Germany - 4 trillion dollar
6.France - 3 trillion dollar
7.Britain - 2.8 trillion dollar
8.Brazil - 2.5 trillion dollar
9.Italy - 2.2 trillion dollar
10.Indonesia - 2 trillion dollar

Are this is true story?

Writen by my self what I belief.
Those numbers are totally wrong for the year 2014 (2015 is still early in the year).

USA 17416 billion $ nominal and 17416 billion $ as per PPP

PRC 10355 billion $ nominal and 17632 billion $ as per PPP

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Jarmo

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Those numbers are totally wrong for the year 2014 (2015 is still early in the year).

USA 17416 billion $ nominal and 17416 billion $ as per PPP

PRC 10355 billion $ nominal and 17632 billion $ as per PPP

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I have right about Germany and Britain.

Exact the same like i writen.

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antiterror13

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Brutto national produkt in 2015:
Top-10:
1.USA - 19 trillion dollar
2.China - 18 trillion dollar
3.India - 10 trillion dollar
4.Japan - 5.5 trillion dollar
5.Germany - 4 trillion dollar
6.France - 3 trillion dollar
7.Britain - 2.8 trillion dollar
8.Brazil - 2.5 trillion dollar
9.Italy - 2.2 trillion dollar
10.Indonesia - 2 trillion dollar
Are this is true story?
Writen by my self what I belief.

Where did you get those figures? they are way way off. Its very easy to get the information, just Google it "countries ppp gdp" .. as simple as that and you will get this data in 2013
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In 2014, some organisations believe China' GDP (PPP) was bigger than the USA ... just wait for a few more months
when you are talking about figures or numbers, it is not what you believe, the fact is much more important
 

Franklin

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The reason why the US is so opposed to the AIIB.

Asia Infrastructure Investment Bank gambit has US on edge

China's big foray into global finance is causing nervousness on Wall Street while helping to exemplify how dysfunctional Washington has become.

The Asia Infrastructure Investment Bank is positioning itself as an Asia-centric alternative to the World Bank and International Monetary Fund, even though the head of the World Bank on Tuesday tried to cast the AIIB as a partner, not a rival.

However, some prominent U.S. voices recently have been expressing alarm both at the AIIB's growth, and its ability to attract U.S. allies even though the Obama administration has been seeking to discourage membership. The U.S. holds the largest voting bloc in the IMF/World Bank structure, but has not signed on to the China effort.

With the addition of Iran and the United Arab Emirates, the roster of prospective AIIB members has grown to 35, according to the Xinhua News Agency. In addition to multiple Asian countries — Singapore, Sri Lanka and Vietnam to name three — the amount of European countries is on the rise. Germany, France and Italy are on board for when the bank is officially chartered later in the year, and outside the region Australia just joined as a high-profile partner, despite the White House's wishes.

If the situation is starting to create an outside-looking-in scenario for the U.S., then the country has no one but its policymakers to blame, according to a widely circulated blog post Monday from former White House economic advisor Larry Summers.

"With U.S. commitments unhonored and U.S.-backed policies blocking the kinds of finance other countries want to provide or receive through the existing institutions, the way was clear for China to establish the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank," Summers, now a professor at Harvard, wrote.

He added that the creation, and growing membership, of the AIIB, should be seen as a "salutary wake up call" for the U.S. to become a better global citizen when it pertains to economic cooperation.

"This failure of strategy and tactics was a long time coming, and it should lead to a comprehensive review of the U.S. approach to global economics," he wrote. "With China's economic size rivaling America's and emerging markets accounting for at least half of world output, the global economic architecture needs substantial adjustment. Political pressures from all sides in the U.S. have rendered it increasingly dysfunctional."

White House officials did not immediately respond to a CNBC.com request for comment. Various publications have quoted anonymous administration officials expressing annoyance at the AIIB's growing membership rolls, particularly at the willingness of allies like Britain to join.

Catherine Novelli, U.S. undersecretary of state for economic growth, energy and the environment, said in a recent CNBC interview that the administration generally supports the AIIB's stated goals but has concerns over regulation and environmental issues.

"The questions that will remain, and we're hopeful that this is going to develop over time in this way, are how is governance going to work, because that hasn't been fully laid out yet, and this whole question of how is this development of infrastructure going to be done in a way that is environmentally sustainable," Novelli said. "That will also have to be developed over time."

At its heart, the bank's mission will be to take a funding level of about $50 billion and use it to develop infrastructure projects in developing economies. With the world's second-largest economy, China is looking to step to the forefront of helping its neighbors grow and provide outlets for its export-driven base.

However, critics worry that ultimately the institution will help China knock the U.S. off its pedestal as the world's pre-eminent economic and military superpower, give the dollar competition as the global reserve currency and to change a fundamental dynamic by filling a funding void.

Ian Bremmer, political scientist and president of the Eurasia Group, summarized the dilemma for the U.S. in an analysis posted on the World Economic Forum:

Why is Washington so squeamish? For decades, the U.S. has used its authority in the World Bank and IMF to strengthen relations with European partners and to guide developing countries toward Western values. In Asia, Washington has used its power within the Asian Development Bank toward the same end. These institutions can issue loans with a quid pro quo: to implement reforms in line with the lenders' preferences. Washington worries that China can do precisely the same thing. With a stake of up to 50 percent, China may dictate the AIIB's values.

Bremmer suggests that the reason President Barack Obama and the White House are so set against the AIIB is Washington worries that, with a loss of domestic appetite for exercising military might overseas, the only thing left to keep America's dominant position is economics.

A strong contender to the World Bank/IMF influence could erode the nation's standing on several fronts, Bremmer wrote:

This leaves Obama, and his successors, with a difficult question: In a world that needs America less, how can Washington protect and maintain its dominant influence?


Banking analyst Dick Bove has joined the chorus of those worried about what the rise of the AIIB might portend.

The vice president of equity research at Rafferty Capital Markets called it "a major defeat for the United States" that, save for Japan, "every other major ... ally from Britain to Israel to Australia has joined. These countries joined despite the expressed wish of the United States that they not do so."

Many analyses of the AIIB's rise point out the institution's development came largely because the U.S. helped block reforms to the IMF that would have given China more influence. Bove, too, believes the U.S. is "overplaying" its global influence.

"The result of its actions both internally and externally has been the creation of an entity that can compete with the IMF and World Bank internationally; an entity controlled by a country that is seeking to reduce the United States hold on the world financial markets," he said in a report for clients. "The creation of the AIIB also demonstrates clearly that not only are the U.S. enemies but also its biggest allies fed up with the United States demands and tactics in the financial world. This is incredibly danger
ous to this country's standing internationally in an area where it counts — finance and the dollar."
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Blackstone

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The reason why the US is so opposed to the AIIB.


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It's a well written article, and hit all the high notes squarely. President Obama committed a strategic blunder on AIIB, and he's too much of a narcicist to admit wrongdoing and reverse course. On the other hand, I think Dick Bove was wrong to characterize China as an enemy. China, as President Bush 43 said, is a "strategic rival" of the United State, but not an enemy. There are no good reasons for America and China to be enemies, and lots of good reasons for cooperation and partnership.
 
It seems to me that America does not even a "strategic rival". With its allies on board and China not having veto power, there will be collective control and transparency. In a nutshell, the obvious reason to me is hegemony.

Absolute power corrupts absolutely, or at least it definitely corrupts. Much of the US elite demonstrated through its actions surrounding the financial crisis and in Iraq and Libya that it will use its hegemony for self-serving ends at the expense of everyone else. Hopefully the US elite will learn the right lessons from the AIIB wake up call rather than the wrong ones, as the US elite can easily ruin the world without necessarily suffering any consequences.
 

Franklin

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Iran a few days after the nuclear agreement is starting to negotiate with China about new oil deals. For China their dealings with the countries of the Middle East and elsewhere are purely commercial. They don't see these sort of things in political terms and that is very much appreciated in the Middle East and with their trading partners around the world. In the meantime the US on the sidelines seems to be raising another eyebrow.

Iran piles pressure on US with China oil talks

Tehran officials are in Beijing this week to seek more oil sales, in a move that could reduce Iran's vulnerability to Western sanctions and pressure the U.S. to sign off on a deal to lift restrictions on Iranian oil exports.

Representatives of the state-run National Iranian Oil Company are meeting with Chinese oil importer Sinopec and state-run oil trader Zhuhai ZhenRong for talks, officials told Reuters this week.

This came after Iran and the "P5+1" countries — the five permanent United Nations Security Council members plus Germany — last week agreed to a framework for a deal that would see international sanctions on Tehran lifted in exchange for cuts to is nuclear program.

"With negotiations going on, this (talks between Beijing and Tehran) will be presented as an investigatory discussion — but one that puts pressure on (U.S. President Barack) Obama to make a deal," Peter Morici, an economist and professor at the University of Maryland in the U.S. told CNBC.

The sanctions were first imposed on Iran at the end of 2011, due to fears that its uranium enrichment program was aimed at building a nuclear weapon. The measures targeted Iran's energy sector — a highly significant part of its economy — limiting exports, preventing large-scale investment and hampering its ability to tap investment.

As a result, Iran suffered a 1 million barrel per day drop in oil exports in 2012 compared with the previous year, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA).

"I think that Iran is laying the groundwork for increased oil sales to China once the sanctions are lifted," Andy Lipow of Lipow Oil Associates in Houston told CNBC on Tuesday.

Historically, Iran was the third-largest exporter to China, but the country reduced its imports from Iran in 2012 in order to maintain diplomatic ties with the U.S. and Europe following the imposition of sanctions.

China is the world's second-largest oil consumer behind the U.S. and accounts for around one-third of the world's oil consumption growth, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration, making it a highly attractive market for the Iranians.

"It is not clear whether Iran is going (to look) East or West, but China provides it with a well-qualified customer and one possibly beyond the reach of any U.S. sanctions," said Morici.

"It's a way of diversifying its market — Iran doesn't want to be entirely dependent on European markets and it will be hard to penetrate the U.S. market," he added.

Despite the sanctions, China upped its imports from Iran in 2014, according to the EIA, buying for strategic reserves.

"China has been one of Iran's biggest customers for crude oil, even when they were breaching sanctions by selling more than the 1m b/d quota," Malcolm Graham-Wood of Hydrocarbon Capital told CNBC.

"China will buy from anyone and if the price is right it doesn't matter! ... Which means that they will probably cut a deal."

Consultants such as Lipow say the West may start scaling back sanctions by the middle of this year, despite opposition from leaders like Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, as well as more hawkish members of both the U.S. Republican party and U.S. President Barack Obama's Democrat party.

"The agreement last week with Iran was not solely with the United States, but it was with the P5+1, and clearly some members of that group believe that an agreement will be signed by the end of June, sanctions will be eased and economic ties with Iran will be expanded," Lipow told CNBC.

Iran's oil minister has met with executives from several of the European oil majors at recent meetings of the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC), including Italy's Eni and Royal Dutch Shell, according to Reuters.

Morici said that once China reached an agreement with Iran, then Germany (the "+1" country in the P5+1) would likely follow suit, with Europe keen to be on good terms with Beijing.

"Once the Chinese crack, Germany will be in there, because after all there is money there," he said.

Morici forecast the emergence of a "loose alliance among the anti-Western states of Iran, Russia and China."

"I see Iran emerging as a third partner in a new axis," he told CNBC.

"I expect responses to be muted because the Europeans are concerned about upsetting the Chinese — we saw this with the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank (AIIB).

"This will create pressure on the Americans, giving the Chinese silent glee. One of their basic pillars is to weaken American power, to reduce the grip of American hegemony."

Signs of Tehran's strong relationship with Beijing came late on Tuesday, when Xinhua, the Chinese state news agency, reported that Iran had been accepted as a founding member of the China-led AIIB. The bank is viewed as a potential rival to U.S.-dominated supranational bodies like World Bank and the U.S. has express misgivings, officially because of concerns about governance and environmental and societal safeguards.

Despite this, several European countries have signed up, including the U.K, Germany, France and Italy, Luxembourg and Switzerland.

"Over half of Iran's current crude oil and condensate exports are to China and most of Iran's commodity chemicals and materials companies already have marketing offices in China. So there is already a substantial trading relationship, within the restrictions of the current sanctions regime," Hasnain Malik, frontier markets equity strategist at Exotix Partners in Dubai, told CNBC.

"This trip is likely, in part, an attempt to build on that and perhaps pave the way for payment in hard currency should the P5+1 framework agreement transition into lasting relief from those sanctions."

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