Chinese Economics Thread

manqiangrexue

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Higher oil prices have hit the Chinese hard. What else could be the explanation?
China is very very insulated to this compared with Western economies not only from state management but also due to high EV penetration. General global economic downturn leads to sentiments favorable towards saving. With the EU leading the way in terms of shit economics and the US in tow, Chinese aren't going to be on a spending spree, and even then, it's still positive.
 

tokenanalyst

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consumer confidence is in fact not solid, as shown by retail sales for example. On top of that there is record negative sentiment in the economy, record youth unemployment rates, youths sitting back and laying flat, and the births crisis. These things all need money and a stimulus to handle.
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Youth unemployment take into account ages between 16 to 24. I don't know you but I think kids age 16-18 should be in school not grinding their future in factory, especially as China urbanize more and if you take into account that more of them are going to vocational schools and collage, youth unemployment should be lower.

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Again, not enough money has been directed to it. Property prices are still declining, there is still quite a lot of inventory at hand, and local governments are going bankrupt.
It's not really % that matters, but the fact that there are parts of the economy that are not doing well that need support and the fact that a stimulus is eminently doable, practical, and needed.
A economy growth could not depend on an permanent asset-financial bubble propped up central bank cheap money creating fake inflation that is eating into people savings with housing prices so high that in 10 years young families would have to live in in expensive cartbox boxes. I think is a huge mistake that Western economies are doing. Is simple unsustainable. In order to people in the US to afford houses again prices have to fall way deeper and faster than China. The longer the bubble the more painful the correction has to be.
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China policymakers realize that in the first housing bubble of 2014 when prices were going up pretty high that putting stimulus for keeping a bubble will only lead to a bigger bubble, as happen in 2016 and in 2018.

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Propping up the bubble will lead to a more painful correction. So as long others sectors can keep up with the economy they could lead the property market to correct itself and they can stimulate in the future.

Interest all of these "free market economist" don't understand that.
 
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fishrubber99

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Frankly speaking, I haven't seen any measures implemented under "The Urban and Rural Residents' Income Growth Plan" so far
According to SCMP, cadre promotion KPIs are being modified to include residents' income growth as a KPI, and they are shifting away from using GDP as the primary KPI for performance evaluations. They are educating cadres about this in a 5 month campaign that started after Chinese New year ended, so it's still ongoing.

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Frankly, I don't know how cadre performance assessment really works in China (if they get graded on a quarterly or annual basis like an employee in a corporate setting would get) but if they are taking these KPIs seriously then I expect they will try implementing or experimenting with policy changes before their next evaluation is done.
 

henrik

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People lost a lot of money with the property bubble pop. They need an alternative to housing to put their money in like bonds or stocks but the Chinese stock market isn't very impressive compared to western markets and both have risks of government intervention that don't make people feel safe investing in it. I've heard people just send their money to HK and invest in foreign markets, one of many ways to get your money out of China. Current global instability and economic downturn also doesn't help. There will have to be reforms to make the bond/stock market more investor-friendly or develop another way of securing/building wealth. People who know more about economics please correct me if I'm wrong.

They need to print more money so that people can buy more stocks, especially new technology IPO. First step is to hike up the RMB, sell a ton of RMB bonds. As the rmb appreciates, foreign investors will be dragged into the Chinese financial markets, both stocks and bond markets. The local investors will have more confidence investing in a market that has a trend of going up.
 

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Unfortunately, it seems domestic public consumption has dropped hard to 0.2 percent YoY in Apirl, lowest yet in the past year.
wait wat, this is yoy, which is (value this year -value last year)/value last year
it dropped to 0.2 because value last year (april 2025) was very high and increase in this year wasnt as significant, not exactly a drop.

tf happend during april (edit: not may) 2025 to cause such a increase in consumption?
edit: researched a bit,
april 2025's increase was attributed to trade in policy, communication devices and house hold appliances had 30+% yoy (!!!)
at this point im more surprised that there can still be 0.2 yoy as that era was an outlier
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