Chinese Economics Thread

iewgnem

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The US government can probably threaten Wison with blocking of financial transactions like they did with the Swiss company which laid down Nord Stream 2. That seems to be their modus operandi of late. That will make payments with Western companies impossible.

Another reason to get the BRICS payment network up. Looking at the news articles, Wison seems to operate in the Global South, that is where their customers are, and yes they do have ties with Western companies in terms of technology but I doubt that it couldn't all be developed in China if they so desired.

If they operate in the oil & gas business, they will run into issues with the US's attempts to control the sector internationally to rule the world economy. If it wasn't Arctic LNG 2 it would be something else sooner or later. So they better shape up and become independent.
If that's really an option they'd have tried it on Huawei already wouldnt they.

It works on a Swiss company because Swiss goverment is there to enforce it, Chinese goverment certainly wont and will even retaliate, then what? Ban China from using the USD and comit sepkupu?
 

resistance

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This video explain Chinese economic plan well but analyst in bad ways. To be fair I think china did systemic suppress wage (not to imports expensive things) while stimulate consumption to boost domestic industries.
 

redrun1776

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If China becomes energy independent in 20 years, what are some ways in which it might change its economy? Thoughts?

Right now it seems power consumption is accelerating, not slowing down.
 

gelgoog

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This video explain Chinese economic plan well but analyst in bad ways. To be fair I think china did systemic suppress wage (not to imports expensive things) while stimulate consumption to boost domestic industries.
That video is myopic and uses selective data and reasoning. It is perfectly normal for developing economies to have higher degrees of investment.

China's investments into infrastructure using existing technologies (housing, roads, high speed rail, and subways) are reaching a point where there are diminishing gains to be had like the video hints at. But even there we are not quite at the saturation point yet. It will likely take another decade to do so. But this can be done at a slower pace than in previous decades.

China's tech investment economic strategic is sound and this can be seen with the successes in green energy (solar, wind) and electric vehicles. These are key to reducing air pollution in major cities with improvements in citizen health, and will reduce China's dependency on energy imports.

China's investment into nuclear power is also bringing major fruits already with products like the Hualong One nuclear reactor and the pebble bed modular reactor series. The fast reactor program also is promising but it is still in its infant stage.

Maglev trains are another potential technology which could happen this decade. If successful they will replace airplanes in voyages between major Chinese cities. There will be no reason not to take the train anymore. Not even time. Even at 600 kph you won't need to spend time with baggage checks anymore. And you will get frequent voyages which won't use oil.

Claims that Chinese consumers aren't investing enough ignore that if you look at what they actually buy, be it number of cars, calories consumed, China already consumes way more than a lot of middle income nations. It is just that prices are lower due to insane market competition inside China. This is what pushes prices down, while in the US in the name of consolidation giant megacorporations have risen, which manipulate consumer prices. This is why measuring economic output in dollars is dangerous in itself.

China is still the world's largest transport aircraft market, yet it imports nearly all the aircraft it uses, that is a major area which needs a lot of work and improvement. So investment will continue to go there.

If China becomes energy independent in 20 years, what are some ways in which it might change its economy? Thoughts?
Right now it seems power consumption is accelerating, not slowing down.
China still has less power consumption per capita than other advanced industrial nations. I think it will stop once China has similar power consumption per capita to Germany or Japan. But to do that will require advanced new technologies like fast nuclear reactors, or a more modern power grid, I think.

Right now it is still too early to consider what to do if credible areas to invest in are not available anymore.
 
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ZeEa5KPul

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That video is myopic and uses selective data and reasoning. It is perfectly normal for developing economies to have higher degrees of investment.
That video is entirely garbage, as is expected from that channel.
China still has less power consumption per capita than other advanced industrial nations. I think it will stop once China has similar power consumption per capita to Germany or Japan. But to do that will require advanced new technologies like fast nuclear reactors, or a more modern power grid, I think.
There's no reason for that to be the case. There's no upper bound in the foreseeable future on the amount of renewable energy China can install, and continuing to drive down costs of electricity will open new areas like large scale hydrogen electrolysis to be used as feedstock into synthetic petrochemicals and ammonia, which was previously infeasible.
 

gelgoog

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There's no reason for that to be the case. There's no upper bound in the foreseeable future on the amount of renewable energy China can install, and continuing to drive down costs of electricity will open new areas like large scale hydrogen electrolysis to be used as feedstock into synthetic petrochemicals and ammonia, which was previously infeasible.
You will run into issues with high expenses building the electric grid if you use too many low density renewables like solar and wind.
 

sunnymaxi

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China still has less power consumption per capita than other advanced industrial nations. I think it will stop once China has similar power consumption per capita to Germany or Japan. But to do that will require advanced new technologies like fast nuclear reactors, or a more modern power grid, I think.
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as of 2023, China is almost close to European Union in Per-capita Electricity consumption.

@ZeEa5KPul ..
 

ZeEa5KPul

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You will run into issues with high expenses building the electric grid if you use too many low density renewables like solar and wind.
I'm sure there are engineering solutions to these problems, especially in electrical engineering and energy storage where China is at the cutting edge. I expect sodium-ion batteries to proliferate throughout the grid in the coming years.
 

manqiangrexue

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as of 2023, China is almost close to European Union in Per-capita Electricity consumption.

@ZeEa5KPul ..
Yeah, cus eversince the EU thought they could step up to Russia, they be like, "You turn up the heat to over 0 degrees C in the winter, you go to jail. Turn the AC to lower than 32 degrees C in the summer, right to jail. Drive when your destination is within 25km, straight to jail. Cook food that's edible raw, jail. Open the fridge more than 3 times a day, jail. Take your phone out of power saving mode, right to jail, right away. No trial, no nothing."
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gelgoog

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I'm sure there are engineering solutions to these problems, especially in electrical engineering and energy storage where China is at the cutting edge. I expect sodium-ion batteries to proliferate throughout the grid in the coming years.
There are for wind. But for solar you need long term storage on the level of many months to make it fully viable.
The way nature does it is it turns solar energy into vegetable oil. So maybe you would need to develop something akin to that.
 
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