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gelgoog

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You need electricity to run what is basically a giant refrigerator to liquefy LNG. Gas turbines are an easy way of doing it since you are close to a gas pipe as it is. Giant aviation turbines are a relatively cheap solution. Using more smaller aviation turbines would be somewhat more expensive but still feasible. The Baker Hughes gas turbines have 35 MW of power. But Russia can manufacture such turbines of 25 MW in power. And China can make 30 MW gas turbines based on naval engines.

The Chinese gas turbines are just cheaper. It is as simple as that.
The Russians could use gas turbines of their own make such as the AL-41ST-25 or GTE-25 if it came to it. It would just cost more since it would take more turbines.
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Instead of 24x of those 35 MW Baker Hughes gas turbines you would need 28x of the Chinese gas turbines or 34x Russian gas turbines.

It would not be particularly hard to manufacture such gas turbines for Russian industry. Just think about it. The AL-41ST-25 for example is based on the AL-41 engine as used in the Su-35 and Su-57. 34x gas turbines is basically the same amount of engines as in 17x fighter aircraft. Easily doable. The GTE-25 is based on the PS-90 engine that is used in the Il-76MD-90A aircraft. 34x gas turbines is the same amount of engines as in 9x Il-76.

I would also be possible to use other power generation sources like large stationary gas turbines used in power stations. It is just that right now production of such turbines in Russia is still experimental. But they have 65MW (Ladoga), 110MW (GTD-110M), and 170MW (GTE-170) gas turbines already produced in prototype fashion.

Another option would be using a nuclear reactor to power the site. The Russians are one of the world leaders in nuclear power and they could do it.

It is just that those two last options would delay the project and Novatek is not interested in major delays.

I am bemused that my SMIC shares have recovered back to where they were mid 2023, let’s hope it does well in the future
If the stock market actually reflected reality the shares should rise in two years time after SMIC finishes its fab construction ramp up and stops hemorrhaging cash from capital expenditures. But the stock market is not rational.
 
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A nice example of how you can both make money and save the world at the same time.
Pretty clear what the endgame will be at this point.

Ruin the west's image and shut them out of the middle east. World has to rely on Russia for their oil needs, which won't be enough. But China will put energy saving tech and EVs in every home, so the rest of the world does not need to fret they will lose their living standards (as long as they switch allegiance).

If the means of the whole world's goods transport (shipping) and personal transport alike were put in the control of a single country only, that country would become the most powerful in history, and potentially the first global hegemony.

US investment in shale might complicate things because they have an oil source that China can't touch. Maybe China will just try to exclude them from green tech as much as possible and pretend they don't exist from a market standpoint.
 

Xiongmao

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US investment in shale might complicate things because they have an oil source that China can't touch. Maybe China will just try to exclude them from green tech as much as possible and pretend they don't exist from a market standpoint.
The US has about 50 billion barrels reserve of shale oil. The US consumes about 20m barrels of oil per day. So bar any other sources, the shale oil reserves will last the US around 7 years.
 
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