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Maikeru

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Remember, it’s normal to have slower growth once in a while or even recession. You need that to get rid of the bad investment and unproductive investment in the economy. Think of downturn as hangover after drinking too much. A self correction needs to take place so that economy can grow productivity again.

But regardless of whether or not you are going through downturn, you still need to invest in your future and in new economy and new tech.
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zbb

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New trade data for March has been published:


It looks like in Yuan terms, imports and exports have both grown roughly 5% yoy for the first 3 months of the year. March imports grew slower and exports contracted in Yuan terms compared to the Jan-Feb period, and both dropped yoy in Dollar terms.

If Q1 trade growth being around 5% coincides with 2024 Q1 GDP growth, then Q1 GDP growth will probably be at 5%, which is in line with the government's overall growth target this year.
Chinese New Year was on Feb 10th this year and some residual effects of the holiday will linger into March. Last year's Chinese New Year was on Jan 22nd.

Because the timing of the Chinese New Year has such strong effects on Chinese economic activity in the first 3 months of the year, YoY comparison of individual months in Q1 are generally not meaningful and comparing the entire Q1 quarter YoY gives a far more accurate picture.

Of course, Western media have all been jizzing in their pants over China's poor YoY numbers for February and March while ignoring the fact that the YoY Q1 numbers look quite healthy. When April numbers come out, they will be singing a different tune.
 
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ZeEa5KPul

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Wait a minute such a huge disparity when measured in dollar versus the Yuan?
China's March exports and imports shrink, miss forecasts by big margins
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Exports shrinking is natural given that Western economies are speedrunning impoverishment. As for imports, a lot of this are imports of raw materials that go into exports so that's expected to shrink. Another factor is China paying for more imports in RMB, which produces the statistical artefact of "shrinking" imports since China isn't overpaying with USD.
 

Proton

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Chinese New Year was on Feb 10th this year and some residual effects of the holiday will linger into March. Last year's Chinese New Year was on Jan 22nd.

Because the timing of the Chinese New Year has such strong effects on Chinese economic activity in the first 3 months of the year, YoY comparison of individual months in Q1 are generally not meaningful and comparing the entire Q1 quarter YoY gives a far more accurate picture.

Of course, Western media have all been jizzing in their pants over China's poor YoY numbers for February and March while ignoring the fact that the YoY Q1 numbers look quite healthy. When April numbers come out, they will be singing a different tune.
If we look at the historical data, in particular pre-covid, then March 2023 seems like an outlier; being unusually strong compared to subsequent months. Don't think the moving Chinese New Year is enough to explain it either as it doesn't give a similar pattern for previous years.
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This is where you probably need an expert to explain why this happened in 2023 and whether these factors persist for 2024. While Im sure such experts exists, I doubt their assessment will show up in the press and rather stay hidden behind a $5000 paywall.
 

fishrubber99

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If we look at the historical data, in particular pre-covid, then March 2023 seems like an outlier; being unusually strong compared to subsequent months. Don't think the moving Chinese New Year is enough to explain it either as it doesn't give a similar pattern for previous years.
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This is where you probably need an expert to explain why this happened in 2023 and whether these factors persist for 2024. While Im sure such experts exists, I doubt their assessment will show up in the press and rather stay hidden behind a $5000 paywall.

I believe the March 2024 yoy numbers were below expectations because of the high base effect last year (in March 2023, exports rose 14.8% yoy and were at their highest point historically at around $300 billion USD). The actual vs expected yoy % change is (I'm assuming) based off of predictions from multiple years in the past, it's just that for March 2024 the previous year's March export numbers were untypically high.

Looking at March 2024's exports, they stand at roughly $280 billion USD which is the second highest value historically.
 

dingyibvs

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If we look at the historical data, in particular pre-covid, then March 2023 seems like an outlier; being unusually strong compared to subsequent months. Don't think the moving Chinese New Year is enough to explain it either as it doesn't give a similar pattern for previous years.
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This is where you probably need an expert to explain why this happened in 2023 and whether these factors persist for 2024. While Im sure such experts exists, I doubt their assessment will show up in the press and rather stay hidden behind a $5000 paywall.
Don't think you need an expert. COVID restrictions were lifted in Dec '22 which was followed by a massive wave of COVID infections that winter. March was when the country emerged from that ordeal resulting in a rather strong rebound effect.
 

Eventine

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Wait a minute such a huge disparity when measured in dollar versus the Yuan?
China's March exports and imports shrink, miss forecasts by big margins
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The dollar has been strengthening against the yuan and various other currencies. Global capital is investing more in the US due to various reasons, the most important being high interest rates. This is one cause of the “US economy is great” perception since higher debts are being off set by more international investment.
 
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