Chinese Economics Thread

Michael90

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More likely due to the mansion don't have the permit to build to begin with. Many of these lavish mansions are built without permit and by bribing the local government.
Is there not an independent government body that supervises or overseas such things ? Else it wil be easy for corruption in this sector to be rampant . Afterall, humans are naturally prone to corruption, so need a credible independent body in different sectors is needed to keep them inline and make sure the rules are respected. If not the problem will only keep increasing and grow even bigger. So it seems its lack of proper supervision body that makes such huge corruption scandal rampant.

Its hard to see something like that here, building without a valid governemnt permit is almost impossible.
 

Michael90

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As for Russia they have plenty of well educated people as well, the difference will be they will brain drain into China instead of western tech companies, so it improves Chinese tech directly
Yeah might be true to some extent. A great loss for Russia..The war Putin launched was a big strategic mistake. I don't know what made him think it will be a good idea. Maybe he overestimated Russia's military strength(thinking Russia could achieve a blitzkrieg victory and the world will need to accept a fait accompli and facts on the ground like he did with Crimea) and underestimated Western military and economic support for Ukraine and also underestimated Ukrainian resolve and patriotism to fight/defend their country. Very big miscalculation which is costing Russia alot now that they are bogged down, its not easy to go back anymore, since he cant admit defeat or pullout like that considering the consequences this might have politically for Russia. Hard to see the best way to get out of there.
Guess opportunity for Russian elites/educated/rich/intellectuals will have to be in the West, Gulf states(many are now settling in UAE/Dublin etc) , and even Turkey(last time i visited Turkey, i saw so many Russians at one point i almost thought i was in a Russian city. ) obviously others will also go to China. Nothing good for Russia in all of this, thanks even more so to that silly war.
 

Biscuits

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Yeah might be true to some extent. A great loss for Russia..The war Putin launched was a big strategic mistake. I don't know what made him think it will be a good idea. Maybe he overestimated Russia's military strength(thinking Russia could achieve a blitzkrieg victory and the world will need to accept a fait accompli and facts on the ground like he did with Crimea) and underestimated Western military and economic support for Ukraine and also underestimated Ukrainian resolve and patriotism to fight/defend their country. Very big miscalculation which is costing Russia alot now that they are bogged down, its not easy to go back anymore, since he cant admit defeat or pullout like that considering the consequences this might have politically for Russia. Hard to see the best way to get out of there.
Guess opportunity for Russian elites/educated/rich/intellectuals will have to be in the West, Gulf states(many are now settling in UAE/Dublin etc) , and even Turkey(last time i visited Turkey, i saw so many Russians at one point i almost thought i was in a Russian city. ) obviously others will also go to China. Nothing good for Russia in all of this, thanks even more so to that silly war.
You're thinking of Russia as an unitary nation rather than part of a larger alliance.

Russian military strength was not surprisingly strong, but it held up within reason. What was a very big miscalculation was the west thinking they could outlast or even blitz down a well supported Russia economically. When that didn't happen, the primary objective of the war was already secured.

China's objective is relatively peaceful power transfer, from the now proven irresponsible and power abusing west to itself and it's allies. Relatively peaceful defined as no WW3, especially now that America has stepped up its threats to invade China.

To do that, they need to secure vital resource nodes while denying America access to them, downsize the dollar back into a regional currency at best, and induce economic damage to the west. All of this needs to happen slowly, because if it happens overnight, it could trigger desparate "use it or lose it" mentality from America, causing complications and in the worst case WW3.

In light of that, the war in Ukraine is anything but stupid, because it achieves objectives that ultimately saves far more lives than the war itself costs:

1. It delays and disrupts American attempts to build up an invasion force against China in Asia.

2. The resources of Russia and it's associated states will become better controlled by China, allowing China more future flexibility in punishing the west.

3. For the duration of the western economic war on Russia, Russia acts as a constant pump for Chinese currency by using it to trade vital resources, while American currency is made invalid as a purchasing medium for many countries.

4. American focus on Europe allows China to move in into resource rich areas such as Africa and the Middle East with little resistence.

What is in it for Russia? Well, the common people of Russia aren't suffering right now, and they aren't projected to in the near term either. The Kremlin will be able to expand it's territory over resource rich Ukrainian areas, and neutralise the threat of a hostile Ukraine.

Victory in Ukraine will prove Russia as a co-equal ally to China, and all the international status that would be associated with being on the right side of history.

Those who draw the shortest straws (on China's side anyways) are the Russian soldiers, who aren't getting as much heavy equipment support as they can get, because Russia is still doing well enough, and Putin wants to vitalize his own arms industry.
 

Quan8410

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The property tax (if true) comes too late. They allow the property bubble got massive as hell after all the speculators already leeching off the economy for years.
 

horse

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That is a good idea.

Either put in a capital gains tax against property that is not your primary residence, or do what they indicated, if someone owns more than one property then the second will be taxed.

This will not deflate the property market. People will still want property.

This will prevent rampant speculation, driving prices up more to the point it becomes unaffordable to the masses.
 

KYli

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Is there not an independent government body that supervises or overseas such things ? Else it wil be easy for corruption in this sector to be rampant . Afterall, humans are naturally prone to corruption, so need a credible independent body in different sectors is needed to keep them inline and make sure the rules are respected. If not the problem will only keep increasing and grow even bigger. So it seems its lack of proper supervision body that makes such huge corruption scandal rampant.

Its hard to see something like that here, building without a valid governemnt permit is almost impossible.
Of course there were government agencies that were oversaw such things. It is just that the enforcement was lax back then. China only legalized private property in 2004. Moreover, when China opened its doors to the world 4 decades ago, in order to encourage the local government to pursue development, the central government gave many leeway to the local government and enforcement was scale back.

At the turn of the century, land sales started to become the main source of the local government revenue which is why there were many misappropriation of lands to use for development or home buildings. It is a gray area back then as many farmland turned into industrial parks, apartments, or highways. Many first movers actually greatly benefited and boosted the local economy by attracting investment with infrastructure and housing available. Back then, it is always develop first and ask question later.

However, there were still boundaries such as many lands in the mountains, national forests, or other historical or natural reasons were forbidden to use and no permit can be obtained. In these cases, develop first and ask later have become a problem as permit couldn't be obtained even if the local government supported such projects.

I don't know about UK but misappropriation of lands are pretty common in many developing world such as what we see in Amazon forests and it also happened in the US such as misappropriation and illegal development or using of US national forest, Indian lands or even private lands with the cooperation between the local government and private developers.
 

coolgod

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Guangzhou joins lithium carbonate futures trading​

China's first batch of lithium carbonate futures started trading on Friday at the Guangzhou Futures Exchange, making it the fourth exchange worldwide to offer such contracts.


It is expected that the introduction of these trading instruments will provide a much-needed guarantee for stable prices of raw materials to promote the EV industry's sustainable development, experts said.


The most-traded contract, due in January of next year, closed at 215,100 yuan ($29,989) per metric ton, compared to the base price of 246,000 yuan per metric ton set by the exchange. The other six contracts all fell at different levels.
 

Feima

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Interesting, the talk about the property tax has been going for years and years, allegedly it may come next year that's just an anecdote from agents as below in the tweet.

Idk, I am steptical that it will happen looking at the current state of property market.


Should impose hefty capital gains tax on these foreign speculators who make a killing while creating property bubbles
 
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