Chinese Economics Thread

supercat

Major
China might never overtake the US in nominal GDP now because the US will now have perma high inflation forever ending in hyperinflation due to mega-money printing and de-dollarization until the empire collapses.

Let's say the US has grown 1% in real terms in a year, and had 4% inflation, it means that their nominal GDP number by the end of that year is now higher 5% than the last despite it not meaning anything positive and it actually being bad for the economy.

It doesn't differentiate between raising prices and actual economic output alongside many other things. I recommend everyone to stop watching over bullshit nominal GDP numbers, it is an inferior productivity indicator in around 5-10 ways.
China probably will overtake the US in a decade or so even in nominal terms, depending partly on how fast the yuan will appreciate.
 

fatzergling

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China probably will overtake the US in a decade or so even in nominal terms, depending partly on how fast the yuan will appreciate.
China will overtake the US in nominal GDP if Yuan appreciates to 0.2 USD or USD deprecates to the above ratio. Earlier predictions had such appreciation happen in 2020 but that didn’t pan out. But with dedollarization on the horizon the USD may be subject to deprecation in the long term.
 

horse

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I don’t but the deflation is bad argument at all, it is just something we have always been told and accept without question.

There are two things that will always destroy an economy and possibly society. One is hyper-inflation. Two is deflation. There is a third thing, and that is debasement of the currency, but that usually leads to hyper-inflation.

It is the debt. With inflation, you pay back the debts with cheaper dollars. With deflation, you pay back the debts with expensive dollars.

They call it the debt-deflation spiral. The money is sucked out of the economy straight to the bond holders, or in today's parlance, the 1%.

To make a long story short, there are three well know periods in modern times where deflation was permanent. The Great Depression. Japan's lost decades. And the EU when Merkel was around.

None of these periods are thought to be success stories.

Hyper-inflation is more common in economic history, with its own predictable results.

:p

Now, to get a little funny, why not, economics is still kind of dull, even though some of us like it ...

Let's talk about Germany a little bit more.

Under Merkel, they had deflation which lead to stagnation, economic growth was usually 1%.

Under Scholtz, they have inflation which lead to stagflation, economic growth probably around 1%.

Note the words, stagnation, which is a proper English word, and stagflation, a new word from the 1970's due to what happened in the US.

It is kind of funny how they went from deflation to stagflation, in a blink of an eye.

Then to see some German politicians on the world stage acting tough, what a show.

They do not seem to realize they never solved their deflation. Using stagflation to solve deflation, is not a solution. How you they going to solve the stagflation? A trade war?

:oops::D
 

AndrewS

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It's a stupid strategy if that's what they are really doing. Their issue is not cost. A 20% appreciation to CNY would not change China's competitiveness in "emerging" industries.

I'd say that a weak currency is currently in China's interest to retain existing low-value and medium-value industries as:

1. wages in much of China are still low and these jobs as useful for lower-skilled workers
2. it limits the ability of the US (or anyone else) to decouple from China
3. due to capital controls, it's difficult for a weakening currency to result in large currency outflows. But in any case, China still has a huge annual trade surplus

At the same time, we also see:

1. a comprehensive effort to develop in new emerging industries (eg. electric vehicles, energy, AI, Telecoms) and those jobs
2. develop companies in existing industries where China currently imports (eg. semiconductors, specialty components) and those jobs
3. continued wage increases and GDP growth, so that minimum wages will reach moderate levels.
4. China is still accumulating large trade surpluses every year, and has nowhere to put them except in US assets which can be seized

So in 5-10 years time, a weak currency won't be required.
At that point, I can see a significant (steady) currency appreciation happening
 

AndrewS

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The ideal inflation rate is agreed to be around 2%, but I think that it doesn't matter as long as there is inflation in the first place and the continuous price changes remain positive instead of negative over time, even if those price changes are minimal, it's not a big difference.

For developing countries, the "ideal" inflation rate is somewhat higher as it will increasingly reflect wage growth in the service sector.

And the latest studies indicate that people don't really notice inflation until it exceeds 5%-ish. So you could go for a 3% or even 4% inflation rate target
 

luminary

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