Chinese Economics Thread

[voyager1]

How is it Japan is so popular despite invading Southeast Asia? Maybe it shows that colonizing a territory makes the people there look up to you as masters and therefore they start to admire and emulate you.

Its because Japan is a developed country and also due to their soft power. So when these poor people watched in the past (and now) how developed Japan was they naturally admired them

I dont see anything bad with this to be honest. The same applies to the US. Even when they have invaded so many countries, caused so many chaos, deaths etc people still love the US due to how advanced the US is (and also from the "free" media)

Naturally the same will happen for China in 1-2 decades, when people will also start admiring it due to how advanced it would become by then

IMO the biggest obstacles would be Western media demonisation (CIA influence operations) and that China doesn't allow "independent" media, so people wont trust the state-owned media

In the end though, as long as China grows, becomes wealthier, get more technological advanced, achieves major scientific/tech/engineering goals, countries and people will start looking up to China the same way they are now doing with the US

 

[LesAdieux]

Its because Japan is a developed country and also due to their soft power. So when these poor people watched in the past (and now) how developed Japan was they naturally admired them

japs soft power? you mean jap av? or things like that?

 

[siegecrossbow]

japs soft power? you mean jap av? or things like that?

Pretty sure they are talking about stuff like anime and video games. Let’s steer clear of discussion porn in a serious thread please.

 

[KampfAlwin]

Pretty sure they are talking about stuff like anime and video games. Let’s steer clear of discussion porn in a serious thread please.

On the topic of Chinese soft power in terms of video games/movies etc, how do you guys think they're progressing? For me, I think they're still at level one. The only time China got somewhat of a boost(if you can call it that) in cultural recognition is when Genshin Impact(A CN video game) released last year.

Even so, I feel that people can stomach it because it's heavily Japanese influenced - you wouldn't know a it's a CN game. That's why I think China still has a very long way to go to find their own way without 'relying' on others.

 

[voyager1]

On the topic of Chinese soft power in terms of video games/movies etc, how do you guys think they're progressing? For me, I think they're still at level one. The only time China got somewhat of a boost(if you can call it that) in cultural recognition is when Genshin Impact(A CN video game) released last year.

Even so, I feel that people can stomach it because it's heavily Japanese influenced - you wouldn't know a it's a CN game. That's why I think China still has a very long way to go to find their own way without 'relying' on others.

Genshin Impact is the first big hit coming from China

Black Myth: Wukong has also generated a lot of buzz, we will see how it goes.

IMO, out of 10:
Games ~0.5
Movies 0
Music 0
Literature 0
Comics/Anime ~2


The Great Firewall, language and cultural(minor reason) differences are the main contributors why Chinese soft power is so lacking (along with state-owned media ofc)

IMO I cant see any of the above things changing in the near or medium future

 

[KampfAlwin]

Genshin Impact is the first big hit coming from China

Black Myth: Wukong has also generated a lot of buzz, we will see how it goes.

IMO, out of 10:
Games ~0.5
Movies 0
Music 0
Literature 0
Comics/Anime ~2


The Great Firewall, language and cultural(minor reason) differences are the main contributors why Chinese soft power is so lacking (along with state-owned media ofc)

IMO I cant see any of the above things changing in the near or medium future

For music, forget it lol. Everytime I see discussions about Chinese music in a western centric site, people say they don't like the language vs Japanese, Korean. Also if any Chinese games comes out with a English or Japanese dub, people will definitely prefer them over Chinese.

 

[ansy1968]

For music, forget it lol. Everytime I see discussions about Chinese music in a western centric site, people say they don't like the language vs Japanese, Korean. Also if any Chinese games comes out with a English or Japanese dub, people will definitely prefer them over Chinese.

@KampfAlwin bro here Chinese music had being gaining recognition and fame due to Singer 2018 when they invited KZ Tandingan to the event, these kind of activity should be promote by letting more foreign artist to participate. Cross culture exchange is one way of boosting soft power and China should do more, we had the confidence due to our culture cause it had a lot to offer.

 

[Strangelove]

Xiao Zhan 肖战 is fucking hot property with significant overseas fans. Talent like this guy plus some clever marketing and management, and we have some soft power rolling...

 

[ansy1968]

Xiao Zhan 肖战 is fucking hot property with significant overseas fans. Talent like this guy plus some clever marketing and management, and we have some soft power rolling...

@Strangelove bro good choice but what about this singer, I'm a big fan.

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[LST]

But why should China care about the West?

Does China need to check what the West is doing before it decides to implement a policy, take a decision?

We all know that the West is sinking under their debt but that doesn't mean that China is also perfect.
So better for China to work on its own and ignore the outside noises

Anyway this was a hypothetical scenario of wanting China to burst its bubbles if the new cold war wasn't happening. There is a lot of debt accumulated in various sectors which is in urgent need of a "clean up"
It would suffer recession for 1-2 years but it would emerge much stronger as a result of removing its debt shackles

Btw there is a simple saying that helps people, "dont shoot the messenger", the West is full of debt but the message still stands even if it is coming from hypocrites.

I admit though, that China has been working hard on the last months on reducing risks and bubbles. However the risks are getting higher now with all this Western printed money coming into China

Most important message I got from voyager1's post is that we should not be overconfident. Human tends to overestimate own strength and downplay adversary's.