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Colonel
Huawei's new Mediapad M6 tablet. This one also had Google apps sideloaded.


If this is possible, what then is the big fuss about the google ban?

I'm no expert in International Internet Security, it looks to me Google, as just one of the many internet companies, has no way of knowing what type of device its app is downloaded to. It's quite logical this is required as part of Internet Security since you don't know what rival companies would do when they know who is on the other side.
 

lgnxz

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If this is possible, what then is the big fuss about the google ban?

I'm no expert in International Internet Security, it looks to me Google, as just one of the many internet companies, has no way of knowing what type of device its app is downloaded to. It's quite logical this is required as part of Internet Security since you don't know what rival companies would do when they know who is on the other side.

Because at first noone really knows how severe and how vast the impact of the ban is going to be, so the big fuss is more about the worst case scenario. Now that the smoke has cleared out, it turns out to be nothing but an extra 5-10 mins hassle to get all the same google services lmao. Google is also helping as much as they can to allow huawei use their services, well at least as far as legality of the laws allow them to.
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is an example of it.
 
Sep 17, 2019
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China will release 10,000 tons of pork from its national reserves

Updated 7:45 AM ET, Tue September 17, 2019
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Third batch of frozen pork set for release to stabilize market supplies, prices
Source:Global Times Published: 2019/9/26 21:28:40
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China late on Thursday announced plans to release the third 10,000-ton batch of state pork reserves into the market, to further stabilize supplies and tame prices, which have soared due to outbreaks of African swine fever (ASF).

The China Merchandise Reserve Management Center, a state-owned company that manages the reserves, said on Thursday that it would auction the meat on Sunday. It has already auctioned two 10,000-ton batches of frozen pork so far this month, with the second one scheduled for Thursday afternoon.

Governments have been intensively rolling out measures to ease the tight supply of pork, such as releasing state reserves and subsidizing pig farms. Seven ministries and commissions have mentioned issues related to hog production or pork prices so far in September, domestic news site china.com.cn reported.

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on Thursday, China has released three batches of reserve meat in September - 20,000 tons of pork, 2,400 tons of beef and 1,900 tons of mutton.

"The recent rounds of reserve meat releases could effectively tame the increasing pork price in the upcoming National Day holiday peak season," Wang Zuli, a research fellow with the Chinese Academy of Agricultural Sciences who closely follows the ASF situation in China, told the Global Times on Thursday.

Supplies will be strained for some time, Wang said, adding that the ASF epidemic has stabilized and the hog production has been improved.

A seminar on stabilizing pig production among large-scale pig breeding enterprises was held in Beijing on Wednesday, according to a statement of the
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The event was attended by 50 representative enterprises, six of which gave presentations on resuming and stabilizing pig production.

Local authorities and companies have also actively launched measures to increase pork supply. On September 14, East China's Zhejiang Province released a batch of pork from its reserves priced 30 percent below market levels, according to media reports.

Wens Foodstuff Group, an agribusiness group based in South China's Guangdong Province, plans to invest in a pig farm that could produce 600,000 hogs annually in Xinyi, Guangdong, with an expected annual value of 1.05 billion yuan ($147.3 million), reported by thepaper.cn on Wednesday.

Besides striving to resume pig production, China has started to expand imports. Pork imports through North China's Tianjin Port totaled 314,000 tons from January to August, up 30.8 percent year-on-year, chinanews.com reported on Thursday, citing data from Tianjin Customs.

Over half of the pork imported through Tianjin was from the EU recently, with average prices rising about 40 percent year-to-date, said the report.

China on September 13 announced plans to exempt US pork and soybeans from additional tariffs.

China bought 10,900 tons of US pork in the week ended September 5, according to data from the US Department of Agriculture.
 

Quickie

Colonel
Because at first noone really knows how severe and how vast the impact of the ban is going to be, so the big fuss is more about the worst case scenario. Now that the smoke has cleared out, it turns out to be nothing but an extra 5-10 mins hassle to get all the same google services lmao. Google is also helping as much as they can to allow huawei use their services, well at least as far as legality of the laws allow them to.
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is an example of it.

More like the legality of the laws of its own creation.

Giving Google the privilege of having a hardware fingerprint (ROM-based and therefore unerasable) tagged to your device and allowing them to track you with that fingerprint through its apps is a gross violation of the user's privacy.
 

AssassinsMace

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It's interesting the time where Trump wanted trade dirt on Joe Biden's son for Ukrainian military aid, it was the same time when he suddenly slapped more tariffs out of blue claiming China backtracked. Could he have been demanding as a part of a trade deal the Chinese had to hand over information on Joe Biden's son and his Chinese dealings as charged by the Republicans?
 

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Colonel
As if it's not already crazy enough, Trump is considering to delist Chinese companies from the U.S. markets. Of course in the meantime, he'll continue to complain about China not opening its economy enough.

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Trump considers delisting Chinese firms from U.S. markets: sources

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Donald Trump’s administration is considering delisting Chinese companies from U.S. stock exchanges, three sources briefed on the matter said on Friday, in what would be a radical escalation of U.S.-China trade tensions.


The move would be part of a broader effort to limit U.S. investment in Chinese companies, two of the sources said. One said it was motivated by the Trump administration’s growing security concerns about the companies’ activities.

Major U.S. stock indexes slipped on the news, which came days before China celebrates the 70th anniversary of the birth of the People’s Republic on Oct. 1, when the world’s No. 2 economy will shut down for a week of festivities.


It was not immediately clear how any delisting would work.

In June, U.S. lawmakers from both parties introduced a bill to force Chinese companies listed on American stock exchanges to submit to regulatory oversight, including providing access to audits, or face delisting.

Chinese authorities have long been reluctant to let overseas regulators inspect local accounting firms - including member firms of the Big Four international accounting networks - citing national security concerns.

“Beijing should no longer be allowed to shield U.S.-listed Chinese companies from complying with American laws and regulations for financial transparency and accountability,” Republican Senator Marco Rubio said at the time.

One of the sources briefed on the matter said the idea of delisting was the latest salvo in this longstanding dispute.

“This is a very high priority for the administration. Chinese companies not complying with the PCAOB (Public Company Accounting Oversight Board) process poses risks to U.S. investors,” the source said.

Any plan is subject to approval by Trump, who has given the green light to the discussion, Bloomberg reported
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citing a person close to the deliberations.

Officials are also examining how the United States could put limits on Chinese companies included in stock indexes managed by U.S. firms, the agency cited three sources as saying.

No decision or action is imminent, two sources familiar with the discussions told Reuters.

As of February, 156 Chinese companies were listed on the NASDAQ and New York Stock Exchanges, according to U.S. government data, including at least 11 state-owned firms. (
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NYSE declined to comment on Friday, while Nasdaq, MSCI, S&P and FTSE Russell did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

China's yuan currency, traded in offshore markets
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, fell against the dollar after the news to trade near its weakest against the greenback in about three weeks.

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Trade talks between the United States and China are expected to be held Oct. 10-11 after months of tit-for-tat moves by both sides which have weakened global growth and driven rollercoaster moves in markets.

While the idea of delisting could be a maneuver ahead of those talks, the main aim was to counteract the civilian-military fusion of Chinese technology firms, the Made in China 2025 industrial development program targeting key industries for domination and a growing surveillance state in Xinjiang, one of the sources said.

The source said there are longstanding concerns about U.S. capital enabling these activities, especially as the lines blur between state-owned and private companies in China.

“It’s all very disruptive, it just adds to uncertainty and it’s a big negative for business investment,” said Scott Brown, chief economist at investment bank Raymond James. He noted, however, that both sides have used aggressive moves in the past ahead of talks.

“You never know if it’s a ploy to get some leverage,” he said.

Trump on Tuesday criticized Beijing’s trade practices in a speech at the United Nations, but the next day stoked hopes that the nearly 15-month standoff could be nearing an end.

“They want to make a deal very badly ... It could happen sooner than you think,” he told reporters in New York on Wednesday.

China says it cannot allow its companies to submit to oversight by PCOAB because of rules prohibiting the storage, processing or transfer of any material considered to be state secrets or national security matters.

U.S. hedge fund manager Kyle Bass, a prominent critic of China, said on Friday that Chinese companies should have to play by U.S. rules if they want to sell to U.S. investors.

“The U.S. should require any securities sold in the US to adhere to US Securities Laws. Crazy huh?” Bass wrote on Twitter.
 
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